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We had planned to have dinner and do some coyote hunting today, go see Jim Martin tomorrow, go after a Christmas tree Saturday (we have a permit to cut one by Williams), and go fishing at Alamo Lake Sunday.

But, as often happens, fate had other ideas.

My wife tested positive for COVID Tuesday and while I am not showing a positive test, I feel like I have the flu. My SIL, who I go coyote hunting with also has COVID. My wife started taking a new experimental drug last night and she fells well enough to go out Black Friday shopping tomorrow. I will most likely take another COVID test tomorrow am and will see how I feel. Thanksgiving is now put off until Sunday.

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Big Red and I have been fortunate. We both tested Positive for COVID, a while back, but it was more like we had a slight cold or a mild flu for about a day and a half.

We both had two or three shots at that time.

We've kept up with our booster shots and so far we're good, even though he works in a grocery store and deals with hundreds daily.

 

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2 hours ago, Cholla said:

We had planned to have dinner and do some coyote hunting today, go see Jim Martin tomorrow, go after a Christmas tree Saturday (we have a permit to cut one by Williams), and go fishing at Alamo Lake Sunday.

But, as often happens, fate had other ideas.

My wife tested positive for COVID Tuesday and while I am not showing a positive test, I feel like I have the flu. My SIL, who I go coyote hunting with also has COVID. My wife started taking a new experimental drug last night and she fells well enough to go out Black Friday shopping tomorrow. I will most likely take another COVID test tomorrow am and will see how I feel. Thanksgiving is now put off until Sunday.

Be thankful you are still able to bitch about it.  Bitching is my favorite hobby, and is far and away the least expensive.

 

Hope tomorrow is better.

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6 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said:

Be thankful you are still able to bitch about it.  Bitching is my favorite hobby, and is far and away the least expensive.

 

Hope tomorrow is better.

 

 

Any day you wake up is a good day.  Any day that you wake up, can get up, and have the energy and inclination to bitch about something is a great day because it shows that you are aware, interested, and connected to your surroundings.  

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24 minutes ago, Cholla said:

Well... Now I tested positive for COVID.

 

Hang in there pard!

 

we're thinking of you, saying a prayer or two for the entire family and wishing you the best Thanksgiving ever, whenever it happens

 

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It wouldn't be so bad but Bucky O'Neill's gun shop is having their Black Friday sale!!!

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13 hours ago, Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 said:

My wife and I also tested positive this week. It is nowhere near as much fun as the brochure made it out to be. 
 

For me, the worst part is the freeze, sweat, freeze, sweat.

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1 minute ago, Michigan Slim said:

When my family all tested positive I declined a test, even though I felt like crap. I quarantined to my deer stand. 

I just loaded up some rounds for the M1 Garand and fired them off, but the hike back and forth to the target did me in for a while.

 

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Just now, Cholla said:

I just loaded up some rounds for the M1 Garand and fired them off, but the hike back and forth to the target did me in for a while.

 

I get that. Sleep and liquids. At my age those two don't play well though. Don't overdo.

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1 hour ago, Cholla said:

Well... Now I tested positive for COVID.

The last strain the wife and I had took about a week of feeling bad before either of us tested positive. Guess that’s why this strain is spreading so well 

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This probably will not be a popular post and is not directed at Cholla or his wife/family

 

No offense folks, but if you're sick...stay home. 

 

Use to work for a person that came in sick and infected everyone with his cold or flu. Doesn't take much, one sneeze, one cough or one touch of something that others touch...and then you're sick. Some folks can afford adequate medical care, some are not.

 

I'm not a masker or such, not even close. I just don't like being sick due to someone else's lack of respect for the people around them.

 

I sincerely hope for a quick and complete recovery for you and your wife, Cholla. No offense or disrespect is intended.

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Get well soon!  Then get out and enjoy some of those things you’re thankful for!!

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18 hours ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

Sorry to hear about this Cholla.  Too bad, because your friends over at High Country Guns in Prescott are having our annual "White Friday" sale.

AAAHHHHRRRRGGGGGG!!!!!

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Some here will take offense at this.  That is unsurprising, given all of the political and social stigma that has been attached to  the wearing of masks.  I am not trying to be annoying here-- just factually informative. 

 

There is new information recently published in the  peer reviewed medical literature.  From what I am reading in my MD wife's New England Journal of Medicine, Journal Watch, and CDC Bulletins, the Omicron BQ1.1 is a different customer than the previous Covid versions.  It is rated as highly contagious, with  57% of all US cases and 71% of all worldwide cases now being  OM-BQ1.1. 

 

Based on the numbers of serious extended cases requiring hospitalizations, Infectious Disease specialists are concerned it may be resistent to the treatment drugs used for the earlier versions--things like monoclonal antibodies. 

 

There is a recent major increase in the number severe cases requiring extended hospitalization and respiratory support.  

 

If all of that turns out to be correct, then isolation and individual protection like  proper mask wearing (i.e., covering both mouth and nose), and frequent hand washing/sanatizing will be the only real defense we have for a time, until new OM-BQ1.1-effective drugs get developed and tested for release.  

 

It is a good time to forget vanity and all of the false controversy and political banter earlier dispersed about mask efficacy and err on the side of caution for everyones' benefit.

 

Hospitals have required masks in infectious disease wards for over a century, for good, proven reasons.  They mechanically reduce the number of infectious particles taken in or dispersed.  When properly worn, they do, in fact, accomplish that for most bacteria and virus size particles, including OM-BQ1.1..   Reduced initial particle intake reduces the work our immune systrm must do to attack and eliminate the intruders. 

 

Everyone can choose for themself.  But if we want to ever get past the Covid chain of disease variants. we need to first get past all the stigma that the media has magnified (at great profitability) and use common sense about personal and family protection.  Directly interrupting spread is much easier than medically  treating the disease, once acquired, and having to develop new drugs to combat drug resistence, while people are sick. 

 

The best info we have today is what is factually presented and recommended in the recent medical literature, summarized above. 

Make your own choices.  

 

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12 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

Some here will take offense at this.  That is unsurprising, given all of the political and social stigma that has been attached to  the wearing of masks.  I am not trying to be annoying here-- just factually informative. 

 

There is new information recently published in the  peer reviewed medical literature.  From what I am reading in my MD wife's New England Journal of Medicine, Journal Watch, and CDC Bulletins, the Omicron BQ1.1 is a different customer than the previous Covid versions.  It is rated as highly contagious, with  57% of all US cases and 71% of all worldwide cases now being  OM-BQ1.1. 

 

Based on the numbers of serious extended cases requiring hospitalizations, Infectious Disease specialists are concerned it may be resistent to the treatment drugs used for the earlier versions--things like monoclonal antibodies. 

 

There is a recent major increase in the number severe cases requiring extended hospitalization and respiratory support.  

 

If all of that turns out to be correct, then isolation and individual protection like  proper mask wearing (i.e., covering both mouth and nose), and frequent hand washing/sanatizing will be the only real defense we have for a time, until new OM-BQ1.1-effective drugs get developed and tested for release.  

 

It is a good time to forget vanity and all of the false controversy and political banter earlier dispersed about mask efficacy and err on the side of caution for everyones' benefit.

 

Hospitals have required masks in infectious disease wards for over a century, for good, proven reasons.  They mechanically reduce the number of infectious particles taken in or dispersed.  When properly worn, they do, in fact, accomplish that for most bacteria and virus size particles, including OM-BQ1.1..   Reduced initial particle intake reduces the work our immune systrm must do to attack and eliminate the intruders. 

 

Everyone can choose for themself.  But if we want to ever get past the Covid chain of disease variants. we need to first get past all the stigma that the media has magnified (at great profitability) and use common sense about personal and family protection.  Directly interrupting spread is much easier than medically  treating the disease, once acquired, and having to develop new drugs to combat drug resistence, while people are sick. 

 

The best info we have today is what is factually presented and recommended in the recent medical literature, summarized above. 

Make your own choices.  

 

Kalifornia, says it all.

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Someone please tell me when, before China decided to try to kill the rest of the world by letting loose this COVID disease, they ever were in a hospital and saw personnel wearing masks?   Ever been in a doctor's office before COVID when you were sick and all the personnel were wearing masks?  Did everyone there get deadly sick afterwards?  Ok., in surgery, someone with a disease they weren't sure what is was, but even if someone had the flu, I never saw them wearing masks.  Now, for the past 2 years, you see people driving alone in their car with the windows closed wearing a mask.  Or they are taking a walk somewhere there isn't anyone within a 100 yards of them and wearing a mask.  Simple anatomy.  The body takes in oxygen and circulates it and picks up bad stuff and then exhales it to git rid of it.  Wear a mask for hours.  How much good oxygen are you inhaling thru the mask, clogged up with crap your body has been trying to get rid of, and breathing back in all that crap it has been trying to get rid of?   Fauci, the mask makers, the vaccine makers, the hospitals who say everybody who comes thru the ER, NO MATTER WHAT, even if they committed suicide, is diagnosed as COVID because the Federal Gov't gives the hospital a ton of money.   China is, and has been, making fools of the world.

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Spent many visits in the "infectious disease" dept. of Dartmouth Health, when orthopedics infected my shoulder. Not a soul wearing a mask. Not even the sickos hacking and choking in the waiting room. Before wu flu, never saw anyone other than a surgeon wear one. Follow the money, Fauci has made enough to retire.

 

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1 hour ago, Lone Spur Jake SASS #7728 said:

Someone please tell me when, before China decided to try to kill the rest of the world by letting loose this COVID disease, they ever were in a hospital and saw personnel wearing masks?   Ever been in a doctor's office before COVID when you were sick and all the personnel were wearing masks?  Did everyone there get deadly sick afterwards?  Ok., in surgery, someone with a disease they weren't sure what is was, but even if someone had the flu, I never saw them wearing masks.  Now, for the past 2 years, you see people driving alone in their car with the windows closed wearing a mask.  Or they are taking a walk somewhere there isn't anyone within a 100 yards of them and wearing a mask.  Simple anatomy.  The body takes in oxygen and circulates it and picks up bad stuff and then exhales it to git rid of it.  Wear a mask for hours.  How much good oxygen are you inhaling thru the mask, clogged up with crap your body has been trying to get rid of, and breathing back in all that crap it has been trying to get rid of?   Fauci, the mask makers, the vaccine makers, the hospitals who say everybody who comes thru the ER, NO MATTER WHAT, even if they committed suicide, is diagnosed as COVID because the Federal Gov't gives the hospital a ton of money.   China is, and has been, making fools of the world.

Take a look on any Infectious Disease Ward in any reputable hospital, bacteriology lab, virology lab or pharmaceutical research lab where infectious agents are present.   

Like so many on social media and Internet forums, your knowledge and experience with medical facilities and practices and Virology is way too limited to be suggesting to others that personal protection is not necessary. 

Just ask your doctor and make your own choices.  But don't spread opinions as facts. 

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22 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

Just ask your doctor and make your own choices.  But don't spread opinions as facts. 

See my post above your's.

Even when I went for my "wellness check" a couple weeks ago, everyone had one on, but Doc & I had to remove them so I could say ahhhh! But pre covid, to see someone in the office or the hospital wearing a mask, was extremely rare. Not opinion, it's what I personally experienced.

 

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14 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Spent many visits in the "infectious disease" dept. of Dartmouth Health, when orthopedics infected my shoulder. Not a soul wearing a mask. Not even the sickos hacking and choking in the waiting room. Before wu flu, never saw anyone other than a surgeon wear one. Follow the money, Fauci has made enough to retire.

 

I was a hazmat responder for about 20 years. So I had respiratory protection drilled into my head for many years. The instructors I had considered the N95 mask basically useless and just laughed at cloth masks. You can look up the ppe requirements for lab personnel working with something like covid, and it certainly is not a N95. And also consider that almost any employer will opt for the cheapest ppe available that’s legal and will stand up to a legal challenge. 
When Covid first started I did some research on cloth masks, and a pretty extensive European study compared surgical crews wearing masks vs unmasked crews vs the amount of post operative infections the patients had. The unmasked crews had a lower rate. This was only one study and it wasn’t large enough to statistically show not being masked is better but it sure seems to shoot allot of holes in the masking theory. Also consider these surgical crews were using sterilization methods and proper donning and doffing procedures. Then compare that to filthy fingers in the quickie mart with his mask that hasn’t been washed in a week. I personally think most of the general populations masking procedures probably caused more infections than they prevented. But that’s something you will never see a study funded for. 
Being forced to wear a mask I carried a bottle of IPA in my truck so I could rinse the mask and kill anything on it. I viewed it as a moist warm bacteria carrying wick , and once something gets on it you are just increasing the amount and time of the exposure. 

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Very sorry I mentioned the "M" word, which always brings out all of the quasi-"experts" and pages of descriptions of everyones' contrary experiences on every aspect.  

 

 My original purpose was only to share the context of the most recent medical literature, and the recommendation of the medical and research professionals working with the new virus derivative that PPE be properly worn, since effective drugs/vaccines may not yet exist.

I was prerty clear that folks can take it or leave it-- make your own choices.  I hope we don't see another pulse of Covid-related prayer posse requests here or see closure of events and  businesses in months upcoming if the thing turns out to really be drug resistent.  I plan to wear PPE when indoors around people, and do my best to avoid those consequences.  

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3 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Spent many visits in the "infectious disease" dept. of Dartmouth Health, when orthopedics infected my shoulder. Not a soul wearing a mask. Not even the sickos hacking and choking in the waiting room. Before wu flu, never saw anyone other than a surgeon wear one. Follow the money, Fauci has made enough to retire.

 

Eyesa,

You probably were in an "infection treatment" area at Dartmouth, which is different to a contagious infectious disease ward. 

Infection treatment is usually about antibiotic (antibacterial) drugs and wound dressing changes.  Wound infection treatment is about bacteria like E. coli or  Pseudomonas,  not viruses; particularly not aeria-borne viruses.  

 

OSHA would not permit the conditions that you described in  a ward that had ICU patients on respirators and staff attending them.  Neither would a hospital like Dartmouth accept the liability risk associated with laxity in patient or staff protection.  

 

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1 hour ago, Eyesa Horg said:

See my post above your's.

Even when I went for my "wellness check" a couple weeks ago, everyone had one on, but Doc & I had to remove them so I could say ahhhh! But pre covid, to see someone in the office or the hospital wearing a mask, was extremely rare. Not opinion, it's what I personally experienced.

 

We agree about individual doctor offices, pre-Covid.  I never saw a mask in any of them.  

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48 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I was a hazmat responder for about 20 years. So I had respiratory protection drilled into my head for many years. The instructors I had considered the N95 mask basically useless and just laughed at cloth masks. You can look up the ppe requirements for lab personnel working with something like covid, and it certainly is not a N95. And also consider that almost any employer will opt for the cheapest ppe available that’s legal and will stand up to a legal challenge. 
When Covid first started I did some research on cloth masks, and a pretty extensive European study compared surgical crews wearing masks vs unmasked crews vs the amount of post operative infections the patients had. The unmasked crews had a lower rate. This was only one study and it wasn’t large enough to statistically show not being masked is better but it sure seems to shoot allot of holes in the masking theory. Also consider these surgical crews were using sterilization methods and proper donning and doffing procedures. Then compare that to filthy fingers in the quickie mart with his mask that hasn’t been washed in a week. I personally think most of the general populations masking procedures probably caused more infections than they prevented. But that’s something you will never see a study funded for. 
Being forced to wear a mask I carried a bottle of IPA in my truck so I could rinse the mask and kill anything on it. I viewed it as a moist warm bacteria carrying wick , and once something gets on it you are just increasing the amount and time of the exposure. 

You're right about dirty masks being a serious health liability.  Masks should be cleaned, as you described,  exposed to UV as much as possible, and exchanged frequently.  Hand sanitizer should be used for 20+ seconds,  before donning, removing, or handling a mask. 

 

An N95 mask is the best commonly available in the consumer market.  They are now about $2.50 apiece.  Medical staff in hospital ICU wards have recently been wearing N-100 masks and/or cartridge respirators with hoods.   

 

Nobody wants to get exposed to a drug resistant virus.  And nobody ever enjoys being on a respirator.  If you've been there (I have), it's a horrible experience.  It is so bad that they tether your hands to the bed rails to stop you pulling the tube out of your trachea.  You experience a constant gag reflex for days. 

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6 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said:

 

 

An N95 mask is the best commonly available in the consumer market.  They are now about $2.50 apiece.  Medical staff in hospital ICU wards have recently been wearing N-100 masks and/or cartridge respirators with hoods.   

 

I guess to me that just proves the point the masks are ineffective. They wouldn’t be switching if they were, especially from the cost aspect. If you look up the ppe for someone working in a lab with Covid its generally an air supplied respirator. With cartridge respirators you first need the correct cartridge for the application and they have a very limited lifespan, in the hospitals they have training and would hopefully only stock the proper ones. For public use it would not be so simple. I also would be interested to know out of the hospital staff using respirators now how many have been properly fit and passed a respirator fit test ? If they haven’t they are just hoping they have a proper seal and it’s effective. It would be a major production expense to supply the general public with something that works along with getting everyone a respirator that actually fits their face properly and produces an acceptable seal, along with an adequate supply of cartridges. I was also always required to be clean shaven, with a couple days of facial hair growth you generally can’t produce a good enough seal to pass a respirator fit test. Also if you gain or lose allot of weight and your facial features change you’ll generally need to be fit to a new respirator. We had some people that needed custom fit respirators to achieve a proper seal. To me masks are just a false sense of security that are more of a liability than protection unless you’re in some situation like a nurse where you have people coughing and hacking in your face all day. And then the masks need to be changed/cleaned frequently. But they still are a bandaid approach at best. 
http://northsafety.co.za/help/respiratory_protection

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/c/ppe/respiratory-protection/b/scott/

Companies like this are were people need to be getting their information about what will properly filter air , along with a MSDS for the material you’re trying to filter. The respirator manufacturers generally aren’t going to make false claims about effectiveness like our government because of the liability they would face, unlike our government. 

During my career I used mostly Scott products, they employ well trained people that can give you the facts about proper respiratory hygiene products .

 

I am in no way suggesting everyone should spend the rest of their life in a respirator,  but people should be educated on how effective the ppe they are using is , not just sold a placebo 

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6 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said:

I guess to me that just proves the point the masks are ineffective. They wouldn’t be switching if they were, especially from the cost aspect. If you look up the ppe for someone working in a lab with Covid its generally an air supplied respirator. With cartridge respirators you first need the correct cartridge for the application and they have a very limited lifespan, in the hospitals they have training and would hopefully only stock the proper ones. For public use it would not be so simple. I also would be interested to know out of the hospital staff using respirators now how many have been properly fit and passed a respirator fit test ? If they haven’t they are just hoping they have a proper seal and it’s effective. It would be a major production expense to supply the general public with something that works along with getting everyone a respirator that actually fits their face properly and produces an acceptable seal, along with an adequate supply of cartridges. I was also always required to be clean shaven, with a couple days of facial hair growth you generally can’t produce a good enough seal to pass a respirator fit test. Also if you gain or lose allot of weight and your facial features change you’ll generally need to be fit to a new respirator. We had some people that needed custom fit respirators to achieve a proper seal. To me masks are just a false sense of security that are more of a liability than protection unless you’re in some situation like a nurse where you have people coughing and hacking in your face all day. And then the masks need to be changed/cleaned frequently. But they still are a bandaid approach at best. 
http://northsafety.co.za/help/respiratory_protection

https://www.3m.com/3M/en_US/p/c/ppe/respiratory-protection/b/scott/

Companies like this are were people need to be getting their information about what will properly filter air , along with a MSDS for the material you’re trying to filter. The respirator manufacturers generally aren’t going to make false claims about effectiveness like our government because of the liability they would face, unlike our government. 

During my career I used mostly Scott products, they employ well trained people that can give you the facts about proper respiratory hygiene products .

 

I am in no way suggesting everyone should spend the rest of their life in a respirator,  but people should be educated on how effective the ppe they are using is , not just sold a placebo 

And how many folks even wear an N95 mask. Most masks available for the general public and handed out at the hospital or doctors office are the lame rectangular type with ear elastics. Likely pretty worthless in the scope of PPE. JMHO

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