Brazos John Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 My son just sent me a video of a B-17 and a P-38 P-63 crashing at the Dallas Air Show today. I can't attach it, but it will be in the news. I cried. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos John Posted November 12, 2022 Author Share Posted November 12, 2022 My t-shirt from a Wings Over Houston Air Show from years ago. This was the B-17 that was crashed by the fighter. I used to hear it fly over my house, several miles south of Conroe, where it was hangered. The sound of those 4 engines was unmistakable. I'm just heartbroken... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Just saw a video. Story I read said P-63 Kingcobra, which appears correct. Can’t imagine what the P-63 pilot was thinking/doing as he clipped the B-17 from above and behind on a high speed turn. Tragic. Here’s a link. Scroll down to the video. Looks he sliced the entire fuselage off just behind the wings. https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Federal-authorities-2-aircraft-collide-at-17579975.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Brazos John said: My son just sent me a video of a B-17 and a P-38 crashing at the Dallas Air Show today. I can't attach it, but it will be in the news. I cried. A P-63, not a P-38, but when I saw it, I sat in shock blinking back tears myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted November 12, 2022 Share Posted November 12, 2022 Holy cow! Prayers up for the families of the lost pilots and crews. So sad Respectfully Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos John Posted November 13, 2022 Author Share Posted November 13, 2022 Credit: In this photo provided by Nathaniel Ross Photography, a historic military plane crashes after colliding with another plane during an airshow at Dallas Executive Airport in Dallas on Saturday, Nov. 12, 2022. (Nathaniel Ross Photography via AP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 4 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Just saw a video. Story I read said P-63 Kingcobra, which appears correct. Can’t imagine what the P-63 pilot was thinking/doing as he clipped the B-17 from above and behind on a high speed turn. Tragic. Here’s a link. Scroll down to the video. Looks he sliced the entire fuselage off just behind the wings. https://www.mysanantonio.com/news/article/Federal-authorities-2-aircraft-collide-at-17579975.php You’re assuming it was pilot error. That’s what NTSB investigations are for. Could have been several things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 id wait till we hear there could be a lot of factors that could come into play , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 20 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: You’re assuming it was pilot error. That’s what NTSB investigations are for. Could have been several things. It’s a WAG. I’m looking at a high-speed high-g turn that’s killed many a pilot. There was one that looked just like this at Reno Air Races earlier this year. There have been others. Yes, the NTSB will ultimately determine the cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos John Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 It looks like the fighter struck something, immediately headed downward, and hit the bomber. If that was a drone, somebody is in a heap of trouble. #drone - Twitter Search / Twitter Don't know if this link worked. Google it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 minutes ago, Brazos John said: It looks like the fighter struck a drone, immediately headed downward, and hit the bomber. Somebody is in a heap of trouble. #drone - Twitter Search / Twitter Don't know if this link worked. Google it. Wow, that would really suck if that's what happened. Hard to see in the video. What a shame and loss of person and machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazos John Posted November 30, 2022 Author Share Posted November 30, 2022 Here's my source: Dallas Midair Tragedy: New Videos Show Startling Change in Flight Path of P-63 (msn.com) So, it WAS preventable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 A video post I viewed strongly suggested the P-63 was outside its' assigned flight path and the pilot executed a bank turn to return to the correct course. The maneuver put the P-63 in a course that intersected with the B-17"s when the B-17 was in the point where the two paths intersected. It is likely the bank angle prevented the P-63's pilot from seeing the B-17. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted December 1, 2022 Share Posted December 1, 2022 On 11/12/2022 at 6:00 PM, Brazos John said: Credit: In this photo provided by Nathaniel Ross Photography, a historic military plane crashes after colliding with another plane during an airshow at Dallas Executive Airport in Dallas on Saturday, Nov. 12, 2022. (Nathaniel Ross Photography via AP) AP can't even get this right. TWO historic military planes crashed, destroying both planes and their crews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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