Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 Just watched the second version and I gotta tell you...... ......JEFF BRIDGES AIN'T ROOSTER COGBURN! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Sackett Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 And that’s a good thing! Sam Sackett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted November 5, 2022 Share Posted November 5, 2022 The way he says "Fill your hand you *** ** * *****" he might just as well have been saying "Your mother wears combat boots." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I think that the second flic was way better than the first, and that goes for Bridges as Cogburn, too. Basically, the book is the screenplay, and both movies follow it largely, but the changes made from the book in the first movie really water it down. Back then, apparently endings had to be happy, not sad or ambiguous as in the book. And the overall realism is much greater in the Coen Bros version. The best comparison between the two movies in that respect is probably the cabin scene. The miscasting of Kim Darby as Mattie Ross in the first movie really weakened it. I do think Wayne was very good as Cogburn, and it's one of his best acting jobs. He's the best thing about that version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 When the man with an eye patch over his right eye puts his rifle to his right shoulder and stares over the sights with his eye patch, that movie just went to hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Just watched the second version and I gotta tell you...... ......JEFF BRIDGES AIN'T ROOSTER COGBURN! True. But the movie had it’s merits. One being the film location. I thought Matt Damon was hideously miscast as well. People who never saw the original probably enjoyed it. I thought Haily Steinfeld was better than Kim Darby in the roll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 The question of casting Damon is interesting. The role calls for a definite pomposity, which he conveyed, I thought. I thought he did well. The casting of Glen Campbell in the LeBouef role was almost weird, but he also got across the quality. Tastes differ, obviously. To me, the first hardly holds a candle to the second. I think the only better casting in the first was Strother Martin. But the guy in that role in the second was still good. And I just plain don't get the ending in the first movie. The sentimentality of the times, I suppose. And I never saw the first movie until about 15 years ago, at 60. I never got into Westerns until I joined SASS in 2004, whereafter I became a huge Western fan. That might be part of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sawhorse Kid Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Both Wayne and Bridges had their points to the character. The main thing I did not care for in Bridges performance was his mumbled speech pattern. Kim Darby fit the bill as a high minded Pain in the A$$ perfectly ..... (otherwise, I did not care for her) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 I think it was great that they used a mobility-challenged horse in the second movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 John Wayne was playing John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn. That is, to me, his persona looked a lot like many of the other characters he played to that point (1969). I give it a B- compared to his other roles. I felt that way in 1969. The Jeff Bridges movie with its cast and cinematography is, on the other hand, a faithful production of the book. The girl who played Mattie was up for the Oscar that year and think she should have won. There, I said it. Flame away… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 6, 2022 Author Share Posted November 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: The question of casting Damon is interesting. The role calls for a definite pomposity, which he conveyed, I thought. I thought he did well. The casting of Glen Campbell in the LeBouef role was almost weird, but he also got across the quality. Tastes differ, obviously. To me, the first hardly holds a candle to the second. I think the only better casting in the first was Strother Martin. But the guy in that role in the second was still good. And I just plain don't get the ending in the first movie. The sentimentality of the times, I suppose. And I never saw the first movie until about 15 years ago, at 60. I never got into Westerns until I joined SASS in 2004, whereafter I became a huge Western fan. That might be part of it. Great googly mooglies you're old. Just pointing out a fact there. No other comment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 57 minutes ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: John Wayne was playing John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn. That is, to me, his persona looked a lot like many of the other characters he played to that point (1969). John Wayne being John Wayne is WHY most of us liked him so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 3 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: John Wayne being John Wayne is WHY most of us liked him so much. Or didn’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted November 6, 2022 Share Posted November 6, 2022 Jeff Bridges knew he should not nor would not try to recreate John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn so he took a different approach and I think it worked very well. I thought the 2nd True Grit was a much more faithful reproduction of the book and very well told. The costuming was excellent, the language was colorful, and casting was near spot on, Damon included as he IS a pompous ass playing LeBouef's part. The location of filming was also much more faithful to the original story as story as it took part in The Oklahoma Territory and not the beautiful Colorado Rocky Mountains as seen in 1969's movie. I watch both frequently and enjoy both for what they offer. I love John Wayne but Joel and Ethan Coen did an excellent job telling the story through their lens of the book's narration. Mattie Ross's casting was definitely and infinitely better in the second with Haley Stienfeld doing a superb job while Kim Darby was mearly annoying and not likable. As mentioned, Strother Martin as the horse trader was brilliant and the 2nd movie's horse trader wasn't far behind but it'd be near impossible to play that better than Strother Martin. As for casting the bad guys, Ned Pepper's gang and Tom Chaney, both movies were quite good but my vote goes for the second as Barry Pepper outdid himself as a dirty, leacherous but almost likable Ned Pepper. Tom Chaney in the second True Grit was also slimier, dirtier, scummier and way more detestable than in the first thanks to great acting by Josh Brolin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Moses Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 Both good flicks. Gotta agree the second was better. That is hard to say as a huge JW fan. The casting of ANYBODY else as Mattie almost guaranteed a better movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Doc Moses said: Both good flicks. Gotta agree the second was better. That is hard to say as a huge JW fan. The casting of ANYBODY else as Mattie almost guaranteed a better movie. This ^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 7, 2022 Author Share Posted November 7, 2022 Ain't it great they make so many flavors of ice cream? Something for everyone's taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart Slade Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 I'd say the new one is better balanced. The '69 version has Wayne, Martin, and I'd add Duvall over the new film. But it also has the biggest holes, particularly Darby and Campbell. To me it really boils down to "are you a John Wayne fan". If you aren't (or only casually), the 2010 version is the way to go. Me, I prefer the....well, I guess look at my avatar for your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted November 7, 2022 Share Posted November 7, 2022 On 11/6/2022 at 7:21 AM, Dantankerous said: Jeff Bridges knew he should not nor would not try to recreate John Wayne as Rooster Cogburn so he took a different approach and I think it worked very well. I thought the 2nd True Grit was a much more faithful reproduction of the book and very well told. The costuming was excellent, the language was colorful, and casting was near spot on, Damon included as he IS a pompous ass playing LeBouef's part. The location of filming was also much more faithful to the original story as story as it took part in The Oklahoma Territory and not the beautiful Colorado Rocky Mountains as seen in 1969's movie. I watch both frequently and enjoy both for what they offer. I love John Wayne but Joel and Ethan Coen did an excellent job telling the story through their lens of the book's narration. Mattie Ross's casting was definitely and infinitely better in the second with Haley Stienfeld doing a superb job while Kim Darby was mearly annoying and not likable. As mentioned, Strother Martin as the horse trader was brilliant and the 2nd movie's horse trader wasn't far behind but it'd be near impossible to play that better than Strother Martin. As for casting the bad guys, Ned Pepper's gang and Tom Chaney, both movies were quite good but my vote goes for the second as Barry Pepper outdid himself as a dirty, leacherous but almost likable Ned Pepper. Tom Chaney in the second True Grit was also slimier, dirtier, scummier and way more detestable than in the first thanks to great acting by Josh Brolin. This ^^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I'm puzzled by the hate for Kim Darby. Yes, she is several years older than Maddie is supposed to be, but many actors and actresses play younger than they are. I found her speech pattern quite annoying, and then I read the book, and that's the way she's supposed to talk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 6 hours ago, Alpo said: I read the book I am not much of a reader, but now and then (every couple of years) I get me a new book. Can you - or anybody else who read it - recommend True Grit? Or are there better Western books out there? The only Western novel I've read so far is Thomas Willmann's "Das finstere Tal" (The Dark Valley) after I was impressed by the Austrian-German movie of the same title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 58 minutes ago, Equanimous Phil said: I am not much of a reader, but now and then (every couple of years) I get me a new book. Can you - or anybody else who read it - recommend True Grit? Or are there better Western books out there? The only Western novel I've read so far is Thomas Willmann's "Das finstere Tal" (The Dark Valley) after I was impressed by the Austrian-German movie of the same title. I surely recommend reading Charles Portis' True Grit. It's a quick read, only around 200 pages in paperback. The book I'd definitely recommend reading is The Virginian by Owen Wister... one of the greats in Westerns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 Thanks a lot! I will order have ordered both books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pulp, SASS#28319 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 I never understood why John Wayne had to steal the wagon from the folks at the creek. Why not just ask? I was never a fan of the music in the original, it was just too loud. The soft background music in the remake was much better, IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted November 10, 2022 Author Share Posted November 10, 2022 Faster to steal the wagon than to negotiate with them. I agree about the music.....and most music in almost all movies any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 In respect to music, does anyone remember the TV release of Serpico? There was so much bad language in the movie that the TV soundtrack was mostly music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 4:43 PM, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: The way he says "Fill your hand you *** ** * *****" he might just as well have been saying "Your mother wears combat boots." I agree, that was the worst part about the second movie. Both Robert Duvall and John Wayne delivered their famous lines far better than Barry Pepper and Jeff Bridges did. With the latter two the delivery was so bad you immediately got shaken out of the moment and reminded that you were were just watching actors. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted November 10, 2022 Share Posted November 10, 2022 10 hours ago, Equanimous Phil said: I am not much of a reader, but now and then (every couple of years) I get me a new book. Can you - or anybody else who read it - recommend True Grit? Or are there better Western books out there? The only Western novel I've read so far is Thomas Willmann's "Das finstere Tal" (The Dark Valley) after I was impressed by the Austrian-German movie of the same title. True Grit is a fine book indeed. If you've seen the second movie, it follows the book very closely. The book is almost the screenplay for the movie. There a many good Western writers out there, but the very best in my opinion is Elmore Leonard. All of his Westerns are very good, and Valdez is Coming and Hombre are great. I rate Valdez is Coming as the best Western novel, period. Just my opinion, but I'm not alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 14 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: There a many good Western writers out there, but the very best in my opinion is Elmore Leonard. All of his Westerns are very good, and Valdez is Coming and Hombre are great. I rate Valdez is Coming as the best Western novel, period. Just my opinion, but I'm not alone. Many thanks for these recommendations, they will definitely land on by book shelf! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 On 11/5/2022 at 9:01 PM, Utah Bob #35998 said: I thought Haily Steinfeld was better than Kim Darby in the roll. Why she didn’t win the Oscar I’ll never know. Every time I say it’s feel like I’m disrespecting John Wayne, but I thought the second version was much better. The script. The music. The scenery. All first rate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 On 11/10/2022 at 4:57 AM, Equanimous Phil said: I am not much of a reader, but now and then (every couple of years) I get me a new book. Can you - or anybody else who read it - recommend True Grit? Or are there better Western books out there? The only Western novel I've read so far is Thomas Willmann's "Das finstere Tal" (The Dark Valley) after I was impressed by the Austrian-German movie of the same title. Lonesome Dove, the book, is even better than the movie. And I loved the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Equanimous Phil Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 51 minutes ago, Charlie Harley, #14153 said: Lonesome Dove, the book, is even better than the movie. And I loved the movie. Thanks! Another one for my WTB list I haven't watched the movie yet, although I have it on Blu-Ray. I guess it needs a really rainy Sunday for a >6hr movie... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted November 11, 2022 Share Posted November 11, 2022 Gone to Texas, which is the original title of Josey Wales, is pretty good. He did a sequel, The Vengeance Trail of Josey Wales. I think Amazon sells the two together as one book. Pretty sure they're where I got mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashknife Cowboy Posted November 13, 2022 Share Posted November 13, 2022 I highly recommend reading the original book by Charles Portis by the fire with a warm beverage.....time well spent on a cold evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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