Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Anyone have a source for 2 1/2 inch shotgun shells for my 97 and vintage double. My usual sources RST and ballistic products have not had any in quite some time. thanks Big Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 The only way to get a reliable/reasonably priced source is to make your own. Just went through the exercise. Bought a Mec 600 Junior, shell cutter, shell vice, brass crimp starter, Mec 2 1/2 spacer and shell plate and a skiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Forsyth #72674 Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 Why don’t you have a Smith ream that barrel to 2 3/4 and light load your shells. I did that to my 1904, 1897. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 I did that on one of my other old doubles but I would like to keep this beauty in its original state. It is a bespoke late 1800s German double. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 5 hours ago, Big Gus, SASS# 66666 said: Anyone have a source for 2 1/2 inch shotgun shells for my 97 and vintage double. My usual sources RST and ballistic products have not had any in quite some time. thanks Big Gus Right now 2.5" shells are is pretty much reloading only right now. From what I have heard RST will sometimes have small quantities of 2.5" 12 gauge. Regarding your German double, http://www.doublegunshop.com/forums/ubbthreads.php might be a good source of information on it, what pressures it can handle and the posters there have been very helpful to me in some of my research in antique shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted September 22, 2022 Author Share Posted September 22, 2022 Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend P. Babcock Chase Posted September 22, 2022 Share Posted September 22, 2022 2 1/2 or 2 3/4 inch roll crimp shells seem to be what my '87 wants to run smoothly. Rev. Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 I realize this is probably of no help. However my source for 2 1/2 inch Hulls, are Magtech All Brass Hulls. I admit, I only shoot them in my Hammer Double Guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Henry Parker SASS#76661 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Kent makes a 2 1/2 shell I bought a case not to long ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 Do they have anymore? Contact info if you have it. Thanks Big Gus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Red Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 This might help....Look for sub sonic 24 & 28.... https://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en/catalogo_tiro/cartucce+da+tiro/trap-skeet+training/1/index.aspx https://kentcartridge.com/us/shotshell/elite-low-recoil-training TR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grass Range Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 Not long ago I hit the internet and found 2 1/2" immediately for my 87. $15 a box. Now I can't find the invoice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boss Hog Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 BP has some paper 2.5 in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted September 23, 2022 Author Share Posted September 23, 2022 What search term did you use. I can’t seem to find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted September 23, 2022 Share Posted September 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Big Gus, SASS# 66666 said: What search term did you use. I can’t seem to find it. They are listed here: https://www.ballisticproducts.com/12-gauge-2-1_2-hulls/products/510/ But both types of 2.5" are out of stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gus, SASS# 66666 Posted September 24, 2022 Author Share Posted September 24, 2022 I was looking at the other BP, bass pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 9:30 PM, Colorado Coffinmaker said: I realize this is probably of no help. However my source for 2 1/2 inch Hulls, are Magtech All Brass Hulls. I admit, I only shoot them in my Hammer Double Guns. These run great in 87's and 97's. They even feed properly from the magazine. And, you can use them with smokeless or black powder with no problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawg Runner, SASS #61139 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 Have you tried Midway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 12:46 PM, Big Gus, SASS# 66666 said: Anyone have a source for 2 1/2 inch shotgun shells for my 97 and vintage double. My usual sources RST and ballistic products have not had any in quite some time. thanks Big Gus Maybe this will help: https://ammoseek.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 9/22/2022 at 4:16 PM, Tuco Forsyth #72674 said: Why don’t you have a Smith ream that barrel to 2 3/4 and light load your shells. I did that to my 1904, 1897. I was under the impression that all 12 gauge 1897 shotguns were chambered 2 3/4". I have a 16 ga that is 2 9/16 and from what I've read, that is fairly common. It took a while before 2 3/4 became the common 16 ga length. My 16 is a survivor in good shape, I decided to leave it as 2 9/16. It does amaze me that back in the day the manufactures just marked the gauge, and never mentioned the chamber length. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grass Range Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 49 minutes ago, "Big Boston" said: I was under the impression that all 12 gauge 1897 shotguns were chambered 2 3/4". I have a 16 ga that is 2 9/16 and from what I've read, that is fairly common. It took a while before 2 3/4 became the common 16 ga length. My 16 is a survivor in good shape, I decided to leave it as 2 9/16. It does amaze me that back in the day the manufactures just marked the gauge, and never mentioned the chamber length. BB I learned something new here. I did not know the 87 was made in 16 gauge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, Grass Range said: I learned something new here. I did not know the 87 was made in 16 gauge. Read again he is talking about the 1897 not 1887. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 If you don't reload shotgun shells now's the time to start. I reload 2 5/8" 12 gauge shells for my Winchester 97 Black Diamond model. I shorten the hulls to 2 5/8" using a dowel rod that has an Exacto blade set in a tranversely drilled hole, with a wood screw in the end to adjust cutting depth. I then crimp the shell over an overshot card (Harten crimp) so that I don't have to roll crimp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAdogman Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 @Philosopher, I'd love to see a pic of that cutting jig. I've used a dowel and utility knife on .410, but the method I used could certainly be improved upon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 I have owned over a dozen 12 ga original Winchester97 pumps and all had 2 3/4 chamber even the early ones ? The 16 ga I had was made with 2 9/16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philosopher Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Here's the shell trimmer I constructed. Saw this on the internet decades ago. I've used this technique to load 2 1/2" 20 gauge shells, 2 9/16" 16 gauge shells, and 2 5/8" 12 gauge shells. The dowel rod is 5/8" diameter, works for trimming hulls from 20 gauge through 12 gauge. The hole that holds the Exacto blade is about 3/16" in diameter, and is 2 1/8" from the end of the dowel. Tap the Exacto blade through the hole at a 30 degree angle with the sharp edge angled down. On the end of the dowel is a round-headed wood screw that is backed out or tightened to adjust cutting depth. I put a couple washers under the screw to keep it from shifting in use. My finished, loaded shells are the SAME overall length as a factory shell, and the crimp is folded at the same point. The opened length of a fired hull is 2 5/8". Since the hull has been shortened the end of the shell is open at the center of the crimp, so I use an overshot card to keep the pellets from dribbling out. I believe this is referred to as a Harten crimp. I use a 5/8" paper punch I found on Amazon to make my own 12 gauge over shot cards out of light weight cardboard (cereal boxes). To load these short shells I do not have to change the adjustments on my press MEC 700 press from how its set when loading 2 3/4" shells, and I crimp as usual after placing the over shot card in place. I can load these shells at just a slightly slower speed than uncut shells using the same powder charges and wad as I use for 2 3/4" shells. Roll crimping not required, nor is skiving the end of a cut hull. If you're making short shells out of plastic hulls any other way you're doing it WRONG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAdogman Posted October 7, 2022 Share Posted October 7, 2022 Thanks. I'm with you now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted October 8, 2022 Share Posted October 8, 2022 On 9/23/2022 at 8:49 AM, Texas Red said: This might help....Look for sub sonic 24 & 28.... https://www.baschieri-pellagri.com/en/catalogo_tiro/cartucce+da+tiro/trap-skeet+training/1/index.aspx https://kentcartridge.com/us/shotshell/elite-low-recoil-training TR this is good ammo , ive been shooting the 7/8 oz for a year now , supplements my 3/4 oz reloads in these times of lacking components , im on my second flat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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