Matthew Duncan Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 In order to load the rifle (‘66 or ‘73) do you need to open the action a little for the link to clear the loading gate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caboose Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Not on the .38 I had or my 45 colt converted to 45 acp I currently use in WB. Both were done by Cody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Shouldn’t have to. If you do the rifle isn’t built right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Someone I know had a cut/weld gun, and recently the loading gate wouldn't push in. My first suggestion was that it might be hitting the lifter spring, which can happen in some cases especially if the mounting screw is not tight which allows the spring to rise enough to interfere. He took the rifle apart later and noticed the gate was hitting the edge of the links. My thought was that perhaps he had had an AD which bent the lever or something a bit, but he was sure that hadn't happened in the stage which preceded the beginning of the problem. So, he calls the 'smith who did the cut/weld, who told him to shave off a bit off the link where it was hitting. That surprised me, but he did and it seems to work fine now. FWIW. I would suggest checking to be sure the gate spring is tight and if there is any up/down play in the gate that could into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Pat Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Cody uses the original parts and you don’t have to do that. I have two Winchester he has done. Irish ☘️ Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 No. If the rifle was built correctly, the Ladle should clear the link with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Knees Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 27 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: No. If the rifle was built correctly, the Ladle should clear the link with no problem. In my admittedly limited understanding, the lever geometry is changed, and an action job done. Other than that, do the other internals stay the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Matthew Duncan said: In order to load the rifle (‘66 or ‘73) do you need to open the action a little for the link to clear the loading gate? Are you having a problem? If so you need to provide more details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: Are you having a problem? If so you need to provide more details. No Problems…just asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 26 minutes ago, Crusty Knees said: In my admittedly limited understanding, the lever geometry is changed, and an action job done. Other than that, do the other internals stay the same? Cam lever is modified too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Knees Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, Matthew Duncan said: Cam lever is modified too. Ok, I don't know these things. I'm sorta trying to find out stuff as I go. I've just figured out what end of the screwdriver to use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 15 minutes ago, Crusty Knees said: Ok, I don't know these things. I'm sorta trying to find out stuff as I go. I've just figured out what end of the screwdriver to use I’m trying to figure these things out too. There is difference in the ends of screwdrivers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 29 minutes ago, Matthew Duncan said: There is difference in the ends of screwdrivers? Yes there is. Here is how the screwdriver should be employed. If you use the pointy end you might mar the finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 In this day and age...people are still cutting/welding?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 PLUS ONE for Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hells Comin Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 If u use a cut/weld gunsmith you'll be Married to him/Her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 minutes ago, Hells Comin said: If u use a cut/weld gunsmith you'll be Married to him/Her. Why? Wouldn't a new lever and short stroke kit replace everything anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 10 minutes ago, J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 said: Why? Wouldn't a new lever and short stroke kit replace everything anyway? Not if you want to keep the marriage in tack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 PLUS ONE for Phantom (Again) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Ah, What's a "cam lever??" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I have one done by Cody Conagher, one done by Jimmy Spurs and one done by Colt McAllister and they all load fine. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 42 minutes ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: Not if you want to keep the marriage in tack. Well, I would look at the change more like a divorce anyway. Unless, like some that have cut and weld, ss kit and unaltered rifles in their harem; not married to any gunsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, J.S. Sooner, SASS #73526 said: Well, I would look at the change more like a divorce anyway. Unless, like some that have cut and weld, ss kit and unaltered rifles in their harem; not married to any gunsmith. If a part breaks...falls out of tolerance...whatever...on a "kit" SS, you can always resort to: A: Put the stock parts back in. B: Have a new part sent to ya. C: Send back to the guy that built it D: Shoot your back-up E: Go fishing If a part breaks...falls out of tolerance...whatever...on a Cut/Weld, you can always resort to: A: Send it back to the guy that built it B: Shoot your back-up C: Go fishing Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo casey #19191 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Do ya need a Pre Nuptual??? Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burn Through Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I run a kit gun .... But to me it is not as slick as a cut and weld . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I only have one '66, a Uberti, and I did a bit of clearancing to solve that issue. The ladle runs real close to the toggle. The stock links were clearances enough, the short stroke one, not so much. If the ladle gets loose at all it wanders about a bit and it will not clear the toggle. As you can see in the picture, the RH link has a bit of clearance work from the factory. The ladle doesn't have much clearance in a 66. It gets a bit interesting when the geometry changes for the short stroke. And if you JB the ladle, don't get too carried away. BB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 46 minutes ago, Burn Through said: I run a kit gun .... But to me it is not as slick as a cut and weld . Try a Boogie rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 2 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: If a part breaks...falls out of tolerance...whatever...on a "kit" SS, you can always resort to: A: Put the stock parts back in. B: Have a new part sent to ya. C: Send back to the guy that built it D: Shoot your back-up E: Go fishing If a part breaks...falls out of tolerance...whatever...on a Cut/Weld, you can always resort to: A: Send it back to the guy that built it B: Shoot your back-up C: Go fishing Phantom Or in my case give it to Shotgun Boogie at EOT and let him fix it. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Do you really save anything by going with C/W v. one of the newer kits with lower cost? (I am just asking here) Replaceable interchangeable parts, as a concept, was adopted by industry way back in the Elias Howe (Sewing Machine mfg.) days, specifically to get away from the cost of hand fitting each part in manufacture and repair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 30 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: Or in my case give it to Shotgun Boogie at EOT and let him fix it. Randy Damn right!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I used to cut and weld some 20 plus years ago, before short stroke links came into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 Don't confuse having been "over Buffed" to the point of being prematurely worn out as "slick." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 24 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Don't confuse having been "over Buffed" to the point of being prematurely worn out as "slick." Just another in the long line of “flavor of the month” gunsmiths. Seen many come and go. Eventually someone fools people into thinking they have built a better mousetrap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 48 minutes ago, doc roy l. pain said: Just another in the long line of “flavor of the month” gunsmiths. Seen many come and go. Eventually someone fools people into thinking they have built a better mousetrap. Who's fooled folks into thinking that they've built a better mousetrap? Seems to me that those gunsmiths that have come along after the Cut/Weld era have significantly bettered the SS design. Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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