sassnetguy50 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Why do they use 5-1/2 feet of rope, why not an even 5 or 6? https://www.police1.com/nypd/articles/nypds-secret-weapon-in-standoffs-a-simple-length-of-rope-OYS5SWvu5g8ZOMsY/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Interesting. Simple and effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 19 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Interesting. Simple and effective. Similar to one of the tactics we got in active shooter defense training -- instead of using a piece of line, the recommendation was to use a belt looped around the doorknob and through the buckle to do the same thing. Would be helpful to splice an eye into one end of the line issued to the officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 So the rope keeps the cops from shooting the distraught person when they open the door: From the article: Now they're able to control that door and there's not a surprise all of a sudden that somebody comes out with a weapon and then they're confronted, and they have to make a split-second decision," Lukach said. Repeatedly the article states this technique 'prevents the person from harming themselves', Sounds like this locks a questionable mental state person in a room by themselves so the cops don't shoot him 'accidentally'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Ozark, drywall is concealment not cover. Knowing that people are stacked left or right just extends the fatal funnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Texas Joker said: So the rope keeps the cops from shooting the distraught person when they open the door: From the article: Now they're able to control that door and there's not a surprise all of a sudden that somebody comes out with a weapon and then they're confronted, and they have to make a split-second decision," Lukach said. Repeatedly the article states this technique 'prevents the person from harming themselves', Sounds like this locks a questionable mental state person in a room by themselves so the cops don't shoot him 'accidentally'. Pretty much it -- cut down on 'suicide by cop', and keep the family's lawyer from swooping in to demand to know why the cops didn't '. . . just talk . . . ' to the unstable off-his-meds knife-wielding guy charging at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 2 minutes ago, Texas Joker said: Ozark, drywall is concealment not cover. Knowing that people are stacked left or right just extends the fatal funnel. True statement about drywall -- a couple of points to consider: 1. Keeping the door closed in any way beats the heck out of just letting the shooter in. It's a last-resort tactic, not something you choose to do if you had any other viable options, such as locking the door or skedaddling. 2. In most active shooter situations, concealment has proven to be nearly as effective as cover as avoiding unwanted high-velocity perforations. 3. Even a couple of feet off to the side beats being in front of the door. You should try it -- one person holding the door closed with a belt over the knob makes it darned near impossible to budge the door from the other side. So the shooter is somehow going to know to shoot off to the side because it's being held by a belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Don't disagree with those points. Active shooters have already shown they will NOT follow the law and now THIS technique has been publicized. When will folks realize that their security is up to them? If enough active shooters get stopped by citizens as soon as they start shooting I bet we see a drop in stupid. RUN HIDE FIGHT. Should be: be prepared. If necessary defend yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Nothing new about this. We were using lengths of rope for this and a variety of other tactical techniques in the 1980s. Sometimes you have to "show" that you are addressing a perceived issue for the benefit of public relations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 6 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: Why do they use 5-1/2 feet of rope, why not an even 5 or 6? https://www.police1.com/nypd/articles/nypds-secret-weapon-in-standoffs-a-simple-length-of-rope-OYS5SWvu5g8ZOMsY/ Back to your original question: because Jimmy Carter tied our government agencies, including state and local ones, into the metric system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 I like this new policing. Just tie the door shut and wait on the social workers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Does anyone have an answer to the original question 7 hours ago, sassnetguy50 said: Why do they use 5-1/2 feet of rope, why not an even 5 or 6? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Asst. Chief: We have $114,000 left in the "Touchy Feely" fund we need to spend. Sgt: How about rope or something to jam doors till the Social Workers can get there? Asst. Chief: Great idea. We have 35,000 officers. Lets give each one of them a wedge, 10 feet of rope and a little bag to put it in. Sgt: I checked with my cousin and he can do the bags and wedge but can only give us 5 1/2 feet of rope for that price. Asst. Chief: Close enough. Send out the press release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Asst. Chief: We have $114,000 left in the "Touchy Feely" fund we need to spend. Sgt: How about rope or something to jam doors till the Social Workers can get there? Asst. Chief: Great idea. We have 35,000 officers. Lets give each one of them a wedge, 10 feet of rope and a little bag to put it in. Sgt: I checked with my cousin and he can do the bags and wedge but can only give us 5 1/2 feet of rope for that price. Asst. Chief: Close enough. Send out the press release. Kidding on the square. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Terrifyingly sad that we must think about and take these kinds of precautions to protect our young. BUT, of all the possible solutions, IMHO, this ranks near or right at the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Back to your original question: because Jimmy Carter tied our government agencies, including state and local ones, into the metric system. That was my first thought. The conversion comes to 16.764dm so it is fractional in metric too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Article says 1-1/2 meter after the English measurement. Then +/- some tolerance. And it is one more thing to put on a duty belt. Just guessing though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, John Kloehr said: Article says 1-1/2 meter after the English measurement. Then +/- some tolerance. And it is one more thing to put on a duty belt. Just guessing though. Thank you. How did I miss that?! The math is still confusing, 1.5 meters is ~4.9 feet. The rope and wedge go in a nylon bag in their patrol car, not on the officer’s belt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 12 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: Thank you. How did I miss that?! The math is still confusing, 1.5 meters is ~4.9 feet. The rope and wedge go in a nylon bag in their patrol car, not on the officer’s belt. I noticed the bit about the 'waterproof bag' too. So . . . when they anticipate a crazy guy is about to bust out the door and start shooting, they'll send someone back to the car to get the rope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 28, 2022 Author Share Posted August 28, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: I noticed the bit about the 'waterproof bag' too. So . . . when they anticipate a crazy guy is about to bust out the door and start shooting, they'll send someone back to the car to get the rope? Maybe part of the training is to grab the water-resistant pouch when responding to an emotionally disturbed people call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 1 minute ago, sassnetguy50 said: Maybe part of the training is to grab the water-resistant pouch when responding to an emotionally disturbed people call. I'm sure they get that kind of heads up on all the calls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 24 minutes ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: I noticed the bit about the 'waterproof bag' too. So . . . when they anticipate a crazy guy is about to bust out the door and start shooting, they'll send someone back to the car to get the rope? I would guess that when they find out that he is in a closed room, or see him retreat into a room and close the door, they would get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Howdy, So what else is in the kit? Best CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted August 29, 2022 Author Share Posted August 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Chili Ron said: Howdy, So what else is in the kit? Best CR "The department said it cost $114,000 for the citywide rollout of the kits, including the rope, wedge and a water-resistant pouch." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted August 29, 2022 Share Posted August 29, 2022 I carried rope, chain, a padlock and oak wedges in a "go bag" in my patrol car for years. Still got that bag with the equipment in my basement, since I don't do patrol any more. Think my rope was a little more than the NYPD issued 5 1/2 feet, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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