CA to stop selling gas-powered cars by 2035

[Frederick Jackson Turner]

Californian, here.

"According to mining and energy specialist Mark Mills, a thousand-pound electric car battery requires the moving of 500,000 pounds of earth in the course of mining. "

 

"Very large and complex new supply chains will be required to replace those that deliver gasoline to motorists. Today, many of these supply chains are dominated by China, with which tensions are obviously rising. China, for instance, currently controls 80 percent of the lithium battery supply chains."

 

Interesting.  Forced evolution seldom works out well.

 

Cheers,

 

fjt

[Dirty Dan Dawkins]

On 8/29/2022 at 11:08 AM, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

I just wonder which one of you good cowboys is willing to help Luisa with her sex addiction nightmare.

[Buckshot Bob]

[Dirty Dog Doug]

[PowderRiverCowboy]

Sure you are ready just what could go wrong 
 Let’s put the horse behind the cart and make it work . 
 Not to mention how many homes built in 50-80’s just don’t have proper electrical systems to handle more load 

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

[Muggle]

13 hours ago, PowerRiverCowboy said:

Sure you are ready just what could go wrong 
 Let’s put the horse behind the cart and make it work . 
 Not to mention how many homes built in 50-80’s just don’t have proper electrical systems to handle more load 

The state is a total disaster. 

[Capt. James H. Callahan]

On 8/30/2022 at 8:11 PM, Buckshot Bob said:

You are probably none of the above 

JHC

[Rye Miles #13621]

Newsome asked everyone to not charge their EVs and keep your AC at 80 I believe. Hot weather this weekend! Ironically he just announced the other day NO MORE gas engines in 2035. Kinda funny except if you live there!!

[Eyesa Horg]

Just Demtards putting the cart before the horse again. But they can say they did something as they won't be around when the time comes, and not be held responsible. Bet they got money coming in from it though.

[Sixgun Sheridan]

I just watched a news segment yesterday about this. They're claiming it'll all be OK because people charge their vehicles overnight when there's no load on the power grid. Yet in the same story they admitted EVs will DOUBLE the load on said grid.

 

Something about not having to be a rocket scientist...

[Buckshot Bob]

43 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

I just watched a news segment yesterday about this. They're claiming it'll all be OK because people charge their vehicles overnight when there's no load on the power grid. Yet in the same story they admitted EVs will DOUBLE the load on said grid.

 

Something about not having to be a rocket scientist...

One of the big assumptions they make is everyone works 9 to 5 and has every holiday off . People work allot of different shifts. What’s the percentage of ev vs Ic cars in CA right now ? My wag is 5% . And they have major issues now . I haven’t heard of any huge plan to upgrade the electrical grid , I’m sure the cost for that will be staggering. And whatever their time line is you can count on it taking a minimum of twice as long 

[Buckshot Bob]

It will also be interesting to see on holidays, when everyone charges their ev at the same time to top off to go on vacation. Then everyone fights over the charging stations at the vacation destinations so they can get home . It’s bad enough in gas stations where the fill time is quick, not  20 or 30 minutes like a ev . I think you’re going to see some interesting road rage situations at charging stations. I see people that get very impatient at the gas station right now . The people who plan ahead will probably manage but the last minute people will be facing some new challenges in life 

[Rip Snorter]

Thing is, they are against fossil fuel, nuclear, and are dismantling hydro.  Wind and solar won't cut it.  Upgrading the grid is possible, but where will the power come from?

[Sixgun Sheridan]

1 minute ago, Rip Snorter said:

Thing is, they are against fossil fuel, nuclear, and are dismantling hydro.  Wind and solar won't cut it.  Upgrading the grid is possible, but where will the power come from?

 

Fairy farts.

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

21 minutes ago, Buckshot Bob said:

One of the big assumptions they make is everyone works 9 to 5 and has every holiday off . People work allot of different shifts. What’s the percentage of ev vs Ic cars in CA right now ? My wag is 5% . And they have major issues now . I haven’t heard of any huge plan to upgrade the electrical grid , I’m sure the cost for that will be staggering. And whatever their time line is you can count on it taking a minimum of twice as long 

 

You're in the ball park, but a mite low... I heard on a radio discussion just this morning that it's about 1.5% - 2%.

 

They gots a ways to go!  

 

(But I sure do see a lot of Teslas in and around Fresno... and they ain't cheap!)  

[Buckshot Bob]

21 minutes ago, Rip Snorter said:

Thing is, they are against fossil fuel, nuclear, and are dismantling hydro.  Wind and solar won't cut it.  Upgrading the grid is possible, but where will the power come from?

Germany is finding that out right now. With Russia cutting them off from their dirty fuel, the talking heads are saying it could be very cold for the German citizens this winter. 

[Buckshot Bob]

10 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

You're in the ball park, but a mite low... I heard on a radio discussion just this morning that it's about 1.5% - 2%.

 

They gots a ways to go!  

 

(But I sure do see a lot of Teslas in and around Fresno... and they ain't cheap!)  

Does CA charge more for registration for a ev ? To make up for the lost revenue from the gas sales 

 

If they do I’d hate to know what it is , when I first moved to CA I had been there about a month going to school and I got a nasty letter telling me I had to go get a CA drivers license become a CA citizen and register my car there . Or the state was going to make my life as miserable as they possibly could, It was a wonderful experience. My first time to do a smog check and they gave me an exemption for not having CA emissions on my car which I had to pay handsomely for . And when the lady at the DMV told me what the plate cost I told her I only wanted one for a year not for the life of the vehicle  . She didn’t find that humorous at all . 
I seem to remember eating allot of top ramen for a few months after that experience. 

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

How far can a gas truck and a electric Ford Lightning go towing the same trailers with one fill-up.

 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

1 hour ago, Buckshot Bob said:

Does CA charge more for registration for a ev ? To make up for the lost revenue from the gas sales 

 

If they do I’d hate to know what it is , when I first moved to CA I had been there about a month going to school and I got a nasty letter telling me I had to go get a CA drivers license become a CA citizen and register my car there . Or the state was going to make my life as miserable as they possibly could, It was a wonderful experience. My first time to do a smog check and they gave me an exemption for not having CA emissions on my car which I had to pay handsomely for . And when the lady at the DMV told me what the plate cost I told her I only wanted one for a year not for the life of the vehicle  . She didn’t find that humorous at all . 
I seem to remember eating allot of top ramen for a few months after that experience. 

 

California vehicle registration cost is SUPPOSED to be calculated thusly:

 

• Registration Fee: $46.00
• California Highway Patrol Fee: $23.00
• Vehicle License Fee: 0.65% vehicle’s value
• Possible county fee of $7 to $47.

It can be pricey!  If your Tesla is worth $50,000 the cost could be $69 (registration and CHP fees) plus $325 VLF plus potentially $47 county, for a total of $447.

 

There can be other fees, such as a "commercial" fee required for all pickups (and other vehicles) - the amount can vary, based mostly on vehicle weight.

 

As an example, my 21-year old six-cylinder standard cab (basic, "bottom-of-the-line") Dodge Ram pickup with about 150k miles on the clock will cost me $225 this year.  *Grump*

 

My buddy Mark H has a 2018 Silverado ~ the wethers in Sacramento wanted $738 for this year.  He showed them... he moved to Tennessee!  There it cost him $40, including "transfer fee."  He sez it'll be $29 next year!  

 

By the way... DMV stands for "Department of Mindless Villians."  

[Eyesa Horg]

3 hours ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

I just watched a news segment yesterday about this. They're claiming it'll all be OK because people charge their vehicles overnight when there's no load on the power grid. Yet in the same story they admitted EVs will DOUBLE the load on said grid.

 

Something about not having to be a rocket scientist...

If that were the case, they have the same now! 

[Eyesa Horg]

2 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said:

It will also be interesting to see on holidays, when everyone charges their ev at the same time to top off to go on vacation. Then everyone fights over the charging stations at the vacation destinations so they can get home . It’s bad enough in gas stations where the fill time is quick, not  20 or 30 minutes like a ev . I think you’re going to see some interesting road rage situations at charging stations. I see people that get very impatient at the gas station right now . The people who plan ahead will probably manage but the last minute people will be facing some new challenges in life 

Just think of the fun when some idiot drives away with cord still plugged in!

[Subdeacon Joe]

4 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

Just think of the fun when some idiot drives away with cord still plugged in!

 

Drivetrain disconnect so it won't go into drive while connected.  They learned from watching gas stations go up pn flames from idiots driving off and tearing the hose out of the pump.

If there weren't that the case most likely what would happen is that the receptacle on the car would break off .  In any case you won't have electricity pouring out and igniting like gasoline.

[Marshal Dan Troop 70448]

 California. EVs waiting in line to fiil r up. Wonder what Monday will bring??

 

 

[bgavin]

I just received the "conservation request" from my electricity provider here.
They are say to conserve, turn off lights, raise the thermometer because power supplies are tight, state-wide.

Golly.
And we don't even have any EVs plugged in.
Jus' wait until Newsom's 14.2 million all try to plug in on a hot day.

Even better....
Wait until AZ sobers up and decides to keep their generated power for their citizens instead of selling it all to CA, who produces very little of its own.

All CA produces in quantity is fruitcakes and building permits.

 

[Subdeacon Joe]

That's right.  The number of fast charger stations will never increase beyond the number in 2019 and traffic will always be as heavy as Thanksgiving in a major university city.

 

Not like internal combustion engine cars when we saw gas stations spring up on every other corner the day after the first gas powered vehicle was on the streets.

[Cypress Sun]

They can increase the amount of charging stations 100 fold in 13 years time.

They might be able to double the milage of a single charge in 13 years time.

They might be able to double the life of the battery in 13 years time.

They might be able to cut the charge time in half in 13 years time.

 

They might be able to do all of that..but there's no way in hell that they will be able to produce double the amount of electrical capacity or double the strength of the electrical grid in 13 years. No way, no how.

[Eyesa Horg]

Hello Boss, I won't be in today. The storm took out the power and I can't charge my car for a few days. Down to 2%, it'll never make it to charger.

 

Real story:

My neighbor drives a Tesla and loves it. He also has a Tesla Wall for back up power in case of an outage.

Got home late after a trip, plugged in the car and went to bed. Got up and found he had no power. We lose it regularly here during storms. The car drained his wall, as well as the AC,  so no coffee or shower. But the car had just enough of a charge to get to a charge station off the interstate. 

Conversely, I started my GAS generator, took a shower and had breakfast. Plenty of gas in the truck if I needed to go anywhere.

Plus another 10 gals in cans. 

 

[Buckshot Bob]

2 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

California vehicle registration cost is SUPPOSED to be calculated thusly:

 

• Registration Fee: $46.00
• California Highway Patrol Fee: $23.00
• Vehicle License Fee: 0.65% vehicle’s value
• Possible county fee of $7 to $47.

It can be pricey!  If your Tesla is worth $50,000 the cost could be $69 (registration and CHP fees) plus $325 VLF plus potentially $47 county, for a total of $447.

 

There can be other fees, such as a "commercial" fee required for all pickups (and other vehicles) - the amount can vary, based mostly on vehicle weight.

 

As an example, my 21-year old six-cylinder standard cab (basic, "bottom-of-the-line") Dodge Ram pickup with about 150k miles on the clock will cost me $225 this year.  *Grump*

 

My buddy Mark H has a 2018 Silverado ~ the wethers in Sacramento wanted $738 for this year.  He showed them... he moved to Tennessee!  There it cost him $40, including "transfer fee."  He sez it'll be $29 next year!  

 

By the way... DMV stands for "Department of Mindless Villians."  

So if there’s no road tax on a ev , I guess there will be shortly . I’m also guessing all those free charging stations are going to start costing like gas pumps some day . 

[Dusty Devil Dale]

4 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said:

 

You're in the ball park, but a mite low... I heard on a radio discussion just this morning that it's about 1.5% - 2%.

 

They gots a ways to go!  

 

(But I sure do see a lot of Teslas in and around Fresno... and they ain't cheap!)  

Yeah, the parking lots at Trader Joe's and Starbucks are full of Teslas.  They hardly have room for the Priuses. 

[Slapshot]

6 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said:

 

Drivetrain disconnect so it won't go into drive while connected.  They learned from watching gas stations go up pn flames from idiots driving off and tearing the hose out of the pump.

If there weren't that the case most likely what would happen is that the receptacle on the car would break off .  In any case you won't have electricity pouring out and igniting like gasoline.

Yeah thats happened allot over the years, burning down gas stations from driving off with the fuel hose still connected, Sheesh. SMH

[Buckshot Bob]

[Black Angus McPherson]

I just found out that teslas have a type of hot weather feature.  If the temperature reaches a certain point (103?) the AC kicks on to keep the car from getting too hot.  I'm not sure if that's to keep your battery from getting overheated and exploding, or just so the owner doesn't have to get into a hot car.  So, if your area is going thru a heat wave your car's AC will run until the weather cools off or your battery dies.   You better keep an eye on your charge level.

 

I understand CA is currently experiencing just such a heat wave.

 

Angus

 

 

[Buckshot Bob]

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967]

On 9/2/2022 at 10:43 AM, Black Angus McPherson said:

I just found out that teslas have a type of hot weather feature.  If the temperature reaches a certain point (103?) the AC kicks on to keep the car from getting too hot.  I'm not sure if that's to keep your battery from getting overheated and exploding, or just so the owner doesn't have to get into a hot car.  So, if your area is going thru a heat wave your car's AC will run until the weather cools off or your battery dies.   You better keep an eye on your charge level.

 

I understand CA is currently experiencing just such a heat wave.

 

Angus

 

 

 

Yup.  Forecast is now for 115° on Tuesday.  Kinda alarming, as we usually run a few degrees above forecast where I am... mebbe I'll go out and watch for Teslas.  

 

The hottest I've experienced here so far is 117°, back in the summer of '95.  I was out working in the heat, building a swing structure for the Kid.  When it got so hot that my DeWalt cordless drill refused to function I said "Uncle!" and retired to a chair in front of the cooler and a jug o' iced tea.  

 

                

 

I'm sure Emperor Gavin is rubbing his hands in glee.