Sierrita Slim Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 I’m looking for information on what type of hollow based bullets (projectiles) were used in commercial 44-40 ammunition during the 1870’s. I have found information on powder, bullet weight and nose shape but no mention at all of bullet base style. I’m hoping someone on here will know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 This might help some ?? https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40 more here https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40/cartridge-details/winchester/bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierrita Slim Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 Thanks for the sites, but I’ve already been there, just checked again. Lots of good information but nothing about hollow based. Thanks though, it is a good site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Look for Savvy Jack and send him a PM. He is deeply into the history of the .44-40. My own thought is why would there be a hollowbase bullet for the .44-40? The bullet was bore size and did not need a hollowbase. I have never seen a hollowbase .32-20 or .38-40 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 2 hours ago, PowerRiverCowboy said: This might help some ?? https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40 more here https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40/cartridge-details/winchester/bullets These are Savvy Jack's website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: My own thought is why would there be a hollowbase bullet for the .44-40 I wondered the same. Hollowbase bullets, in fixed cartridge ammunition, is almost always because the cartridge was originally loaded with a heel bullet and outside lubricated. When they went to an inside lubricated bullet, it is smaller in diameter than the hole in the barrel. So they would load it with a hollowbased bullet, which would expand to grip the rifling. The 44 Winchester was always an inside lubricated bullet, so I see absolutely no need for a hollowbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierrita Slim Posted August 17, 2022 Author Share Posted August 17, 2022 I found a misfired 44-40 and an empty 38-40 case that were manufactured between 1873 and 1879 on my property. Nearby I found a spent hollow base bullet, mangled a bit. The base is distorted and measures between .40 and .44 depending on where you measure. I have the exact measurements at home. It weighs 198.2 grains. The style of hollow base looks old to me. your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 17, 2022 Share Posted August 17, 2022 Amazing how much information turned up the DID NOT answer the original question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 On 8/17/2022 at 11:10 AM, Sierrita Slim said: I’m looking for information on what type of hollow based bullets (projectiles) were used in commercial 44-40 ammunition during the 1870’s. Thanks fellas!! Hollow based bullets were not used by Winchester in the 1870's 44 WCF cartridges Data is here: https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40/cartridge-details/winchester/bullets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 On 8/17/2022 at 5:09 PM, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Amazing how much information turned up the DID NOT answer the original question. Did the links everyone was posting not work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted August 25, 2022 Share Posted August 25, 2022 A side issue, also interesting: Ruger made the original Old Model Vaqueros in .44-40 with undersized throats (.425") compared to the groove diameter of the barrels (.429-.430"). Stage, yes? But I have an original Colt's Frontier Six Shooter (SAA) in .44-40 that has a .428" barrel and the cylinder throats are .4245"! Go figure that one! Had John Kopec, back when he was selling SAA parts, make me a cylinder with .428" throats. Figured I'd have to have the replacement fitted by a pistol smith. Tried installing it, just for the heckofit, and it locked up like a bank vault! Most accurate SA revolver I've ever shot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 10 hours ago, Savvy Jack said: Did the links everyone was posting not work? Most of them did, but a lot of folks got way off the subject. I suppose I shouldn't gripe because I can't recall a subject with mote than a half dozen or so responses that didn't wander off subject....not that I ever do that myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Thanks Rod, I never know when they work for other folks or not. Google is not the best website host...but it's free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PowderRiverCowboy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 8 hours ago, Savvy Jack said: Thanks Rod, I never know when they work for other folks or not. Google is not the best website host...but it's free I didn't know about the page and found it from google . Some good reading and info . Thanks For posting it . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 14 minutes ago, PowerRiverCowboy said: I didn't know about the page and found it from google . That is great news!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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