Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I seem to have a lot of Ruger single action pistols that don't have any jeweling on the hammers and triggers. I'd like to learn how to do this. What do you use in the drill press? I've seen Youtube videos using Cratex sticks and valve grinding compound on wooden dowel rods. Most of the Youtube videos are about jeweling rifle bolts. I don't mind spending the money on the right tool. I just don't know what the right tool is for making the swirls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reverend P. Babcock Chase Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 Howdy Bob, Folks have all kinds of tastes. To each his own. That being said, I must admit that "jeweling" as it's called is appropriate on the dash of a hot rod, I really don't like to see it on a firearm. Especially an old timey guns like we use. It should not be allowed on any gun used for Classic Cowboy. Those may be fighting words, but I'll stick by them. However, I wish you well in your quest. A drill press and a vise that can be precisely moved in two directions would do the trick. Practice on something that won't be seen. I think that the process is supposed to allow the part to carry lubricant better. Good luck, Rev. Chase Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I simply used a drill press adapter for my Dremel and used a small wire brush. It doesn't take much. The round barrel is much more difficult to get great results, vs. a flat piece. I've done the hammers & guides inside my Winchester mdl 94s, and both hammer & trigger on this 1911 as well as the chamber as viewed thru the port. After rebluing, it really pops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Noon Henry Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I use the jeweling kit for Brownells. 080-558-101MB DELUXE ENGINE TURNING KIT I then located a quality X and Y axis mill vice to use on my drill press. The cheaper X Y vise from Harbor Freight was too sloppy for me. And yes, practice on some general flat metals to get your spacing perfected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 35 minutes ago, Reverend P. Babcock Chase said: Howdy Bob, Folks have all kinds of tastes. To each his own. That being said, I must admit that "jeweling" as it's called is appropriate on the dash of a hot rod, I really don't like to see it on a firearm. Especially an old timey guns like we use. It should not be allowed on any gun used for Classic Cowboy. Those may be fighting words, but I'll stick by them. However, I wish you well in your quest. A drill press and a vise that can be precisely moved in two directions would do the trick. Practice on something that won't be seen. I think that the process is supposed to allow the part to carry lubricant better. Good luck, Rev. Chase Well, if you don't like to see it on firearms, maybe Badlands Bob can buy you some blinders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, Reverend P. Babcock Chase said: Howdy Bob, Folks have all kinds of tastes. To each his own. That being said, I must admit that "jeweling" as it's called is appropriate on the dash of a hot rod, I really don't like to see it on a firearm. Especially an old timey guns like we use. It should not be allowed on any gun used for Classic Cowboy. Those may be fighting words, but I'll stick by them. However, I wish you well in your quest. A drill press and a vise that can be precisely moved in two directions would do the trick. Practice on something that won't be seen. I think that the process is supposed to allow the part to carry lubricant better. Good luck, Rev. Chase I agree with you, but everyone has their own taste. Certainly never see it on original guns. I seem to mostly see it on Ruger hammers, but then those aren't old west guns, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 I've got a drill press, 4" vice and an x y axis table for the drill press. I even made a wooden jig to hold the hammer securely while doing the procedure. I just need to figure out what to chuck up in the drill press. I was just going to do the sides of the hammer and trigger so I'm only dealing with flat surfaces. Nothing complicated like trying to go around a rifle bolt. P.S. Sorry Rev. Chase but shiny guns shoot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 I’m sure your Pard @Krazy Kajunwould be happy to lend you some of his shootin irons to practice on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 17 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: I've got a drill press, 4" vice and an x y axis table for the drill press. I even made a wooden jig to hold the hammer securely while doing the procedure. I just need to figure out what to chuck up in the drill press. I was just going to do the sides of the hammer and trigger so I'm only dealing with flat surfaces. Nothing complicated like trying to go around a rifle bolt. P.S. Sorry Rev. Chase but shiny guns shoot better. Once you get them hammers all dolled up make sure to seal up the surface you just jeweled by shooting a large number of rounds of Pyrodex black powder through them shiny guns and leave them set outside your basement door for about a week. Like you said, shiny guns shoot better and that aroma of black powder will put a fine coating over the jeweling to seal up the worked metal. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted August 4, 2022 Share Posted August 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Captain Bill Burt said: I’m sure your Pard @Krazy Kajunwould be happy to lend you some of his shootin irons to practice on! I sure do have some shootin irons he can practice on, just make sure you bring Shootin' Sharyn's main match and backup pistols to River Bend on Saturday so Evil Bob can get them to practice on! Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 4, 2022 Author Share Posted August 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: I’m sure your Pard @Krazy Kajunwould be happy to lend you some of his shootin irons to practice on! I figure once I get this perfected, he'll be standing at my shop door with a whole box full of parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Law Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 These are the brushes I have used on my drill press. I manually held and moved the parts around because I found parts like the 73 lever and vaquero triggers and hammers are to difficult to get set into a X-Y vice and it really only takes a touch to get the marking to take. If I were doing a large or long straight piece then I would definitely clamp it to keep the lines straight. https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1006387431 My buddy uses these for larger pieces and if I were doing a bigger piece this is what I'd go with. Brownell's 190-036-002WB Good luck with it, It's not that difficult. JEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 Ok, I just ordered a 3/16" Cratex rod and a set of engine turning brushes from Brownell's. I'll pick up some abrasive valve lapping compound at the local auto parts store for the brushes. I'm hoping the Cratex rod will work because it looks like it will be the easiest and most precise method, but we'll see. I think I solved the holding issue. I built a wooden jig that holds the small part with one screw and a wing nut. Won't damage the part and seems to hold the part pretty firmly. There's not much torque on the part so it should hold. I just want to be able to hold it stationary for consistency. I guess I could practice on some of the wife's stainless steel pots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Law Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 49 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Ok, I just ordered a 3/16" Cratex rod and a set of engine turning brushes from Brownell's. I'll pick up some abrasive valve lapping compound at the local auto parts store for the brushes. I'm hoping the Cratex rod will work because it looks like it will be the easiest and most precise method, but we'll see. I think I solved the holding issue. I built a wooden jig that holds the small part with one screw and a wing nut. Won't damage the part and seems to hold the part pretty firmly. There's not much torque on the part so it should hold. I just want to be able to hold it stationary for consistency. I guess I could practice on some of the wife's stainless steel pots. Send pics after you practice on the pots. JEL Oh, and that's the pictures of you not the pots. We want to see all of the injuries you received from the beating you're guaranteed to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSnake Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 First time I tried “jeweling”, I put a pencil in a collet in a Bridgeport mill and put 1200 grit lapping compound on the eraser. Kinda like homemade cratex. Worked great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 20 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: I seem to have a lot of Ruger single action pistols that don't have any jeweling on the hammers and triggers. I'd like to learn how to do this. What do you use in the drill press? I've seen Youtube videos using Cratex sticks and valve grinding compound on wooden dowel rods. Most of the Youtube videos are about jeweling rifle bolts. I don't mind spending the money on the right tool. I just don't know what the right tool is for making the swirls. Well you already shoot GF and I know you got a Marlin rifle in .45 colt and with the jeweling of your guns you'll be all ready to shoot Prairie Pimp. Just place a call to Koda Joe, I'm sure he'll have some matching chaps that he'd part with. Of course you'd hafta do something about that old hat you wear, maybe weave in some rhinestones and such and get ya some pointy toed boots. Heck, with them new boots you could kill roaches in corners too! Yep, I can just see it now at the SE Regional, ole Badlands Bob, "king" of the prairie pimps! (No thanks needed Evil Bob, that's what friends are for!) Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 Good luck on your project Bob. I happen to really like the looks of jeweling especially on hammers, triggers, and levers. The port as Griff did on that "weird gun" looks sharp too. I have admired jeweling done by Jimmy Spur and Lefty Wheeler, also often that of Morgan & Jason (the Boomsticks). Like you, I would like to able to do this myself. I have the drill press but I think, as mentioned, a precision mill vise with multi-directional sliding is key to ease, quality, and time. Looks like with your Brownells order, you will be ready for KK and CB's tests runs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Law Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, KingSnake said: First time I tried “jeweling”, I put a pencil in a collet in a Bridgeport mill and put 1200 grit lapping compound on the eraser. Kinda like homemade cratex. Worked great. Now that's creative. Love it! JEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 8 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said: Well you already shoot GF and I know you got a Marlin rifle in .45 colt and with the jeweling of your guns you'll be all ready to shoot Prairie Pimp. Just place a call to Koda Joe, I'm sure he'll have some matching chaps that he'd part with. Of course you'd hafta do something about that old hat you wear, maybe weave in some rhinestones and such and get ya some pointy toed boots. Heck, with them new boots you could kill roaches in corners too! Yep, I can just see it now at the SE Regional, ole Badlands Bob, "king" of the prairie pimps! (No thanks needed Evil Bob, that's what friends are for!) Kajun Yes, definitely need to borrow a pair of Koda's chaps to use while working on the mill. He will have plenty to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John E. Law Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 9 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said: Well you already shoot GF and I know you got a Marlin rifle in .45 colt and with the jeweling of your guns you'll be all ready to shoot Prairie Pimp. Just place a call to Koda Joe, I'm sure he'll have some matching chaps that he'd part with. Of course you'd hafta do something about that old hat you wear, maybe weave in some rhinestones and such and get ya some pointy toed boots. Heck, with them new boots you could kill roaches in corners too! Yep, I can just see it now at the SE Regional, ole Badlands Bob, "king" of the prairie pimps! (No thanks needed Evil Bob, that's what friends are for!) Kajun Official SASS rules regarding Prairie Pimp Category Costuming example: JEL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, KingSnake said: First time I tried “jeweling”, I put a pencil in a collet in a Bridgeport mill and put 1200 grit lapping compound on the eraser. Kinda like homemade cratex. Worked great. I read about the pencil eraser method. I must have cheap pencils because mine didn't last long enough to get more than a few inches. Probably Chinese pencils. I also want to make the jeweling smaller than a pencil eraser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 4 minutes ago, John E. Law said: Official SASS rules regarding Prairie Pimp Category Costuming example: JEL I'd be afraid of catching Monkey Pox wearing that outfit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cassalong Hopidy Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 20 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: I seem to have a lot of Ruger single action pistols that don't have any jeweling on the hammers and triggers. I'd like to learn how to do this. What do you use in the drill press? I've seen Youtube videos using Cratex sticks and valve grinding compound on wooden dowel rods. Most of the Youtube videos are about jeweling rifle bolts. I don't mind spending the money on the right tool. I just don't know what the right tool is for making the swirls. Bob. Just get you a bottle of Gorilla Glue and a bag of diamonds and stick then all over the hammers. Don’t even have to remove them from the frames. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 1 hour ago, Cassalong Hopidy said: Bob. Just get you a bottle of Gorilla Glue and a bag of diamonds and stick then all over the hammers. Don’t even have to remove them from the frames. Well, look who showed up full of advise. My old friend Cass. Note to self: Never take advise from your competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 2 hours ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: Good luck on your project Bob. I happen to really like the looks of jeweling especially on hammers, triggers, and levers. The port as Griff did on that "weird gun" looks sharp too. I have admired jeweling done by Jimmy Spur and Lefty Wheeler, also often that of Morgan & Jason (the Boomsticks). Like you, I would like to able to do this myself. I have the drill press but I think, as mentioned, a precision mill vise with multi-directional sliding is key to ease, quality, and time. Looks like with your Brownells order, you will be ready for KK and CB's tests runs. Bob is a good Pard, but if he comes around my guns looking to do any jeweling his ‘jewels’ may get an unfriendly bump or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER Posted August 5, 2022 Share Posted August 5, 2022 I use my mill and mill vise and either 3/16 or 1/4 cratex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 5, 2022 Author Share Posted August 5, 2022 38 minutes ago, SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER said: I use my mill and mill vise and either 3/16 or 1/4 cratex. I ordered the 3/16" cratex. Should be here by Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank_MaChain Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 I have two different flavors of engine turning compound from Brownells if you would like to borrow it. The key is to get the parts highly polished. I'm guessing you'll be trimming at least another second per stage after jeweling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 9, 2022 Share Posted August 9, 2022 40 minutes ago, Yank_MaChain said: I have two different flavors of engine turning compound from Brownells if you would like to borrow it. The key is to get the parts highly polished. I'm guessing you'll be trimming at least another second per stage after jeweling So you're saying we'll be able to retire the sundial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yank_MaChain Posted August 10, 2022 Share Posted August 10, 2022 Yup... since he got those new shiny pistols, he's sped up a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 11, 2022 Author Share Posted August 11, 2022 Success. I jeweled the hammers on a pair of my New Vaqueros. It turned out pretty good. I can see now that I'm going to have to order more Cratex sticks. I have 10 or 12 Ruger single action pistols. I now have something to keep me busy on rainy days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 Nice job Bob! Did you use a double axis vice? And I believe 3/16 cratex. Did you use an abrasive as well on the cratex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: Success. I jeweled the hammers on a pair of my New Vaqueros. It turned out pretty good. I can see now that I'm going to have to order more Cratex sticks. I have 10 or 12 Ruger single action pistols. I now have something to keep me busy on rainy days. Dang, I missed the press conference! Looks pretty good....shiny guns shoot faster. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 12, 2022 Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said: Dang, I missed the press conference! Looks pretty good....shiny guns shoot faster. Kajun As long as you don't get distracted admiring your work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 12, 2022 Author Share Posted August 12, 2022 3 hours ago, Eyesa Horg said: Nice job Bob! Did you use a double axis vice? And I believe 3/16 cratex. Did you use an abrasive as well on the cratex? Yes, I have a cheap X Y drill press vice that Joe West gave me. I use a bolt and wing nut through one of the holes in the trigger to bolt it to a block of wood. The wood is then clamped in the vice on the X Y table. The 3/16 Cratex has the abrasive imbedded into the rubber rod. Nothing else is needed other than some way to hold the Cratex. These were my main match guns until recently. I've been shooting them monthly since 2005. You can't wear out a Ruger in one lifetime. I just upgraded to a set of SASS Vaqueros with the Lasiter short stroke and half cock and all the bells and whistles. But they don't have jeweled hammers and triggers.....yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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