Sedalia Dave Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 6 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Dave, since that ammo was loaded with APP (I think that's what they used), and the old paper Pinnacle (same thing) shotshells I recently had split apart, I'm wondering if there could be some corrosive issues with that powder loaded and stored long term? Hmm. I think these were either filled with Triple 7 or the original Clean Shot BP sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mongo, SASS #61450 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 I've wet tumbled for the last 10 years. I've experienced .44-40 brass that color on occasion. I use Lemi-shine as part of my cleaning solution, but only a little. Nickle cases (and even silver colored primers) really mess with my brass color. I've had "copper colored" brass (after tumbling) with BP subs. Now I only use real BP in rifle and pistol cases. My top cleaning ingredients are Strat-O-Sheen and Dawn. I still use a little Lemi-Shine. Thanks to the advice of Yul Loose, I no longer use SS pins and I see very little difference in my finished product. I now knock out all primers before tumbling and have found that my brass is drying much faster. Check the link below for Strat-O-Sheen; this is great stuff. Search results - RioGrande Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Vendetta Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 Appreciate the new comments. Just putting my own experiences out there, I used pyrodex in 38 special cases in a couple shoots across the last 2 years. Both nickel and brass without ever seeing anything like this, using the same tumbling recipe/procedure. So far with 44-40 I've only used real black. But again I can't confirm the history of these particular cases as I've been gifted quite a few. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 3 hours ago, Jay Vendetta said: Appreciate the new comments. Just putting my own experiences out there, I used pyrodex in 38 special cases in a couple shoots across the last 2 years. Both nickel and brass without ever seeing anything like this, using the same tumbling recipe/procedure. So far with 44-40 I've only used real black. But again I can't confirm the history of these particular cases as I've been gifted quite a few. If @Griff reads this he will tell you not to use pyrodex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Vendetta Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 Just now, Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L said: If @Griff reads this he will tell you not to use pyrodex. I've still got some from before I could find the real stuff. But it's on the back shelf till I run out of the real and can't find it again. Hopefully that doesn't happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 It's been a long time since anyone gave my Pyrodex, but when I used to have some I always loaded it in shotshells, since that is the easiest gun to clean well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 Yep shot shells is all I load it in until what I have is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Vendetta Posted July 25, 2022 Author Share Posted July 25, 2022 I might give that a shot myself, I like to load 'em full and putting 75ish grains of the real stuff is going through more of my stock than I would like. Might switch over to pyrodex shotshells for the next match and see how that works. Appreciate that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted July 25, 2022 Share Posted July 25, 2022 14 minutes ago, Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L said: If @Griff reads this he will tell you not to use pyrodex. Darned tootin' I will. Good for fertilizer only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cpt Dan Blodgett, SASS #75655 Posted July 26, 2022 Share Posted July 26, 2022 I make dummy rounds for dry fire with my suspect cases. Resize expand seat bullet crimp fill primer hole with silicon RTV gasket material and trim flat after it gets hard generally a couple of days in AZ heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruger Ray Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 load them, send them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Vendetta Posted July 27, 2022 Author Share Posted July 27, 2022 Just now, Ruger Ray said: load them, send them Appreciate that Ruger I'll do that and we'll have another pale rider show down soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/24/2022 at 6:58 PM, Burn Through said: looks like they have been shot with that nasty black powder stuff That is not what brass looks like that has been shot with that "nasty black powder stuff". This is what 44-40 and 45 Colt brass looks like after being shot with Black Powder and rinsed clean. Yes, it is clean. It is stained, but it is clean. This is what 44-40 ammo looks like after the brass was tumbled for a couple of hours in crushed walnut media. I have never wet tumbled my brass, and I do not add anything to make it shinier. Stained brass is still clean, and shoots just as well as shiny brass. The only downside is it is a bit more difficult to find in the grass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horn_Ridge Posted July 27, 2022 Share Posted July 27, 2022 On 7/24/2022 at 5:32 PM, Jay Vendetta said: Also attached is a picture showing some of the other brass cleaned in this batch. Any thoughts? I've seen this with Remington UMC brass quite often. I know very little about metallurgy, but something is definitely different about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky R. K. Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 On 7/27/2022 at 11:33 AM, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said: That is not what brass looks like that has been shot with that "nasty black powder stuff". This is what 44-40 and 45 Colt brass looks like after being shot with Black Powder and rinsed clean. Yes, it is clean. It is stained, but it is clean. The only downside is it is a bit more difficult to find in the grass. This is the reason you should make your brass as shiny as possible unless you want to leave it on the ground. I shoot, among other calibers, 44-40 and new brass is really hard to find. Making it shiny helps to find it on the ground. I would also recommend that you mark the brass with an identifier so if someone else is shooting that caliber you can identify your brass. Lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 You must think I'm new at this. Everybody I shoot with knows the dirty 44-40 brass with a black stripe across the case head is mine. They always return them to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted August 13, 2022 Share Posted August 13, 2022 12 hours ago, Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 said: You must think I'm new at this. Everybody I shoot with knows the dirty 44-40 brass with a black stripe across the case head is mine. They always return them to me. But, you are! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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