sassnetguy50 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-gun-owners-horrified-state-doj-data-breach-exposes-identities-alarming-situation How many states attempt keep this information confidential? I assumed this was public record everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steel-eye Steve SASS #40674 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Wisconsin keeps it confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 There's been some recent discussion here. Concealed Pistol License (CPL) records are exempt from public disclosure laws in Washington State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 Here in Colorado it's up to the issuing agency....the county. Our County Sheriff keep them and does not distribute to any other agency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 What’s funny is if you expose your CCW weapon in California, inadvertently or otherwise you are at risk of losing your permit. Actually, it’s not funny. It’s just plain stupid. In Oregon the CCW or CHL lists were kept confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted July 1, 2022 Share Posted July 1, 2022 I don’t know of any state where they are a public record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: I don’t know of any state where they are a public record. There are states that will release concealed carry records under a FOIA request. Nevada records are confidential - but statistical abstracts may be released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Seems as if making carry permit information publicly available would expose owners to risk of theft and harassment. Kind of what California's 'oopsie' disclosure seems to intend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 When Ohio enacted it's carry law in 2004, a local liberal rag here was printing names of people that got their carry permits. They quickly stopped after the Atty. General told them they weren't allowed to do that! Some people sued but I don't know what the outcome was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 As soon as that happened in Ms they passed law making it confidential. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Ron Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Howdy, Say you are a burglar. There are two nice houses and one owner has a ccl. Wouldnt you hit the house where you have the least chance of getting shot? Best CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, Chili Ron said: Say you are a burglar. There are two nice houses and one owner has a ccl. Wouldnt you hit the house where you have the least chance of getting shot? 14 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: Seems as if making carry permit information publicly available would expose owners to risk of theft..... Wonder which one it is....both, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 In NY State a few years back a newspaper sue to get the list & a court said they were entitled. The paper published the list & got a shit load of blowback. A person who didn't think that was right did some research to find the residential addresses of the paper's editor. The editor was doxed & received many harassing phone calls & death threats. The editor published an apology. I think the state made the records private after that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted July 2, 2022 Share Posted July 2, 2022 Recall that it might have been New Rochelle. The folks who disagreed doxed the reporters as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted July 3, 2022 Share Posted July 3, 2022 Here in CA, our idiot DOJ leaked it it. IMO, to dox every permit holder, so the thugs will know which address to visit, and what selection of guns is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted July 3, 2022 Author Share Posted July 3, 2022 21 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said: Wonder which one it is....both, maybe? Now they probably put a tracker on the car of the permit holder to see when they are far from home. This gives them the window of opportunity. The tire/service shops here have started finding the trackers when vehicles of pretty ladies are on the lift. Thank you pards. I’ll call Tuesday to find out the state’s position on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 This seemed relevant for California residents. Excerpt: According to Bianco, an “outside legal analysis” determined that the California Supreme Court ruled all the way back in 1986 that if media outlets request this information, “public agencies must disclose the full names of concealed weapons permit holders.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 What would they do if we all changed our legal name to John Smith and addressed ourselves by alias or given name? Would the newspaper publish “John Smith” 500 times? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 4:51 PM, Chili Ron said: Howdy, Say you are a burglar. There are two nice houses and one owner has a ccl. Wouldnt you hit the house where you have the least chance of getting shot? Best CR Actually, I believe I would hit the house during the day, when the guy with the carry gun is probably at work, but there might be others in the house that he is not at the moment carrying. Same theory as the NRA sticker on your car. If I'm in the car, the average carjacker might think twice. But if the car is in the employee parking lot, the smash and grab guy is going to be licking his lips as he busts the window and opens the glove box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted October 24, 2022 Author Share Posted October 24, 2022 1 hour ago, Alpo said: Actually, I believe I would hit the house during the day, when the guy with the carry gun is probably at work, but there might be others in the house that he is not at the moment carrying. Same theory as the NRA sticker on your car. If I'm in the car, the average carjacker might think twice. But if the car is in the employee parking lot, the smash and grab guy is going to be licking his lips as he busts the window and opens the glove box. and takes the car registration for the home address. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 On 7/2/2022 at 8:19 AM, Rye Miles #13621 said: When Ohio enacted it's carry law in 2004, a local liberal rag here was printing names of people that got their carry permits. They quickly stopped after the Atty. General told them they weren't allowed to do that! Some people sued but I don't know what the outcome was. The socialist/ultra-liberal/pos St. Petersburg Times (now The Tampa Bay Times) tried that crap in Florida. The government shut that down quick. Now CWP holder information is confidential. There are well over 1,000,000 permit holders in Florida. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 I display my pro-2A decals proudly. I don’t abridge my own first amendment rights to appease or in fear of scum. I didn’t do it in Commieland and sure as hell won’t do it now. Furthermore CA DOJ leaked more than CCW holders. https://dailycaller.com/2022/06/29/california-doj-massive-leak-gun-owners-private-info-gun-registry/ Want to read a crapload of “double speak”? Here’s the DOJ’s BS they put out nearly a month after Doxxing gun owners in their own state. https://oag.ca.gov/news/press-releases/attorney-general-bonta-releases-new-firearms-data-increase-transparency-and Notice there is nothing about their blatant “mistake” 27 days earlier or nothing about what they are going to those that posted the info. Transparency my ***! This state does stuff like this over and over again. No one gets punished, brought up on charges or even fired. As a matter of fact what CA bureaucracies do is hire more people of the same ilk to watch over or monitor the people that should have been fired. The people that should have been fired usually get reassigned and after a year of licking the egos they do similar things again because a leopard can’t change its spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major E A Sterner #12916 Posted October 24, 2022 Share Posted October 24, 2022 In my county in NY you have to fill out a form to keep the information confidential, I think they started doing this when a liberal newspaper tried to publish a list of permit holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 On 7/1/2022 at 12:33 PM, Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life said: Here in Colorado it's up to the issuing agency....the county. Our County Sheriff keep them and does not distribute to any other agency. Pard, that changed quite a while ago. I left law enforcement 6 years ago, but several years before I left, our permits in all counties were made public. In fact, if a cop runs your driver's license, several pieces of information come back. Whether the license is valid is one of them, but other things like warrants, etc. also return. When they changed the law making CCW permits public, the computer software had no code for them. So they entered them all as warrants. So if you ever get pulled over, the cop will run your license and it will tell him you're wanted. When he opens up the warrant to see what you're wanted for, it will just show you have a CCW permit. I was incensed by this and spoke with my state legislator about it. She was too dumb to understand what I was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 1 hour ago, Cyrus Cassidy #45437 said: Pard, that changed quite a while ago. I left law enforcement 6 years ago, but several years before I left, our permits in all counties were made public. In fact, if a cup runs your driver's license, several pieces of information come back. Whether the license is valid is one of them, but other things like warrants, etc. also return. When they changed the law making CCW permits public, the computer software had no code for them. So they entered them all as warrants. So if you ever get pulled over, the cop will run your license and it will tell him you're wanted. When he opens up the warrant to see what you're wanted for, it will just show you have a CCW permit. I was incensed by this and spoke with my state legislator about it. She was too dumb to understand what I was talking about. I was unaware that this had been changed, About 15 years ago, I was stopped at a checkpoint during New Years checking for drunk drivers. The officer ran my license and then ask me if I was carrying. I asked how he knew I had a CCW permit and he said it showed up om the computer. I basically told him it was none of his business as it was legal in Colorado for anyone who could legally own a firearm could carry a loaded gun in their car, so why was he worried about me. I gave me back my license and said have a nice day. I went to our county sheriff and asked how my permit ended up in the system. He told me it was his option whether to add CCW permits to the state data base. Our next sheriff did not do this and kept CCW permit holders out of the state's data. I did not know it had changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted October 25, 2022 Share Posted October 25, 2022 4 hours ago, Big Sage, SASS #49891 Life said: I was unaware that this had been changed, About 15 years ago, I was stopped at a checkpoint during New Years checking for drunk drivers. The officer ran my license and then ask me if I was carrying. I asked how he knew I had a CCW permit and he said it showed up om the computer. I basically told him it was none of his business as it was legal in Colorado for anyone who could legally own a firearm could carry a loaded gun in their car, so why was he worried about me. I gave me back my license and said have a nice day. I went to our county sheriff and asked how my permit ended up in the system. He told me it was his option whether to add CCW permits to the state data base. Our next sheriff did not do this and kept CCW permit holders out of the state's data. I did not know it had changed. Let's also not forget that the US Supreme Court has issued some very strict guidelines on what makes a DUI checkpoint legal. Among many other things, they stated specifically that running a person's license simply because they stopped in the checkpoint is **NOT** legal as it violates the 4th amendment against unreasonable searches and seizures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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