Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Introducing "Truth" and "Justice"! 1860 Colt custom conversion in .44 Colt (BHA). Both have 5.5" barrels, The host pistols were Armi San Marcos from Cimarron (The bottom of the barrel says "ASM Fredericksburg Texas". Hand stamped serial numbers 71 and 72. After some research in Adler's book and reviewing them with those who know (including Walt Kirst) they are apparently early conversions done by Dave Anderson in the 1990s. (ASM host guns, threaded end plug in cylinder side of ejector rod housing, and several other small things). The engraving was was supposedly done by Frank "Texas Jack" Lehman in the same time period. I knew Frank, and he had engraved several of my guns back then, and it is the script and pattern is the same as he preferred. and used on my guns. They are well used, with honest wear, which is fine with me. The action is slick, with about a 2 to 2.5 pound trigger pull. The front sights appear to be from Mexican brass coins cut to size. The grips have been shaved down to make them thinner, but I plan on putting faux ivory on them. Need to figure out is I use Pietta or Uberti grips. Got them along with 500 rounds of Load-X .44 Colt cowboy ammo. I also already have dies and bullet from loading 44 Colt in the past. I got the from a shooting pard, that has been teasing me with them for a few years now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 Really nice guns TL. Shame somebody did a "Bubba" on the stocks. They will look great re-stocked!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 29, 2022 Share Posted June 29, 2022 You need to commission a third one called, "The American Way" to complete the set. Maybe a rifle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needle-Nose-Tom Posted June 30, 2022 Share Posted June 30, 2022 Those would look great with some giraffe bone grips. Looks as good as real ivory to me and hard as rock. Cool Pistols congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted June 30, 2022 Author Share Posted June 30, 2022 Well, very interesting. Dave Anderson was actually the first to attempt to produce conversions in limited small production runs.. He used ASM 1860s as the host guns, and eventually contracted to ASM to produce stepped 1860 cartridge cylinders and some other parts. This was before ASM started to produce Type I conversions of their own. around 2000. I discovered that Truth and Justice's cylinders are NOT converted percussion cylinders! They are beefier, and actually almost the same diameter as Uberti's cartridge conversion's cylinders. When ASM started producing conversions, they used the shortcut of not having stepped cylinders or frames. Anderson, however, had ASM make stepped 1860 cartridge cylinders, and had the corresponding step on the frame. As I have said already, truth and Justice have have these stepped cylinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 9, 2022 Author Share Posted August 9, 2022 Finally getting a chance to shoot them at a local match a week from Saturday. CAN'T WAIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 22, 2022 Author Share Posted August 22, 2022 Argh! came down with COVID!. I had to miss the match..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted August 22, 2022 Share Posted August 22, 2022 well, dang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 Picture of the Gang (taken before I replaced the second shaved grip) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 That Henry would be a good candidate to become "The American Way." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oddnews SASS# 24779 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 I have to ask -- is there a rifle or maybe a derringer that is "the American way?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 Here are Truth and Justice after I replaced the shaved grips. One is an 1860 ASM grip from eBay, and the other a modified Uberti 1860 grip from Graveyard Jack, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Looking nice! If you ever wanna part with them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 Im sure I'll keep these until I retire. Will be selling a pair of LNIB 1860 Richards Type II conversions in .45, one 5.5" and one 8" barrel. bought them two months before I got Truth and Justice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 I am selling a pair of LNIB 1860 Richards Type II conversions in .45, one 5.5" and one 8" barrel. bought them two months before I got Truth and Justice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pee Wee #15785 Posted August 23, 2022 Share Posted August 23, 2022 Didnt Captain George Baylor do an article on them many years ago in the Cowboy Chronicle? It may have been on the first wire, can't remember, the brain is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 23, 2022 Author Share Posted August 23, 2022 Maybe so. I'll ask Tex and Skinny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 I talked to Tex and Cat Ormand. Neither recall an article. Reached out to Skinny, but haven't heard back yet. On another note, the Type I has always been my favorite with the frame mounted rear sight and firing pin. When Armi San Marco came out with theirs, I had a pair. ASM, though, did not have a stepped cylinder, like the 1860 should, and Anderson did. I loved the pair, but one had a mis-aligned cylinder notch, making it a five-shooter. ASM folded before I could get warranty done on it. Sold it as one pistol and a spare "parts" pistol. Since then, the only option for a Type I is a custom (or find an Anderson like I did.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted August 24, 2022 Share Posted August 24, 2022 Howdy TL, I just PM'd you Capt. Baylor's email address. I see him regularly including a couple days ago but won't see him again for a couple weeks or I'd ask him. He's on facebook as well, if you are (I'm not). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 24, 2022 Author Share Posted August 24, 2022 Thanks, I'll drop him a line. Bernie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 25, 2022 Author Share Posted August 25, 2022 Talked to Baylor, he did not do an article on Andersons. Also checked with Skinny, and even Cat and Tex Ormand (prior editors). They didn't have one either. SKinny has the draft and pics should be in the October Chronicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted August 30, 2022 Author Share Posted August 30, 2022 While the Anderson's will be my primary main match pistols, replacing the Uberti Type IIs, my pair of Kirst/Pietta .45 Schofield 1860s (8" Saber River and 5.5" Sheriff model) will still be my back-up pair. The Saber River is so dang beautiful, it just has to be shot sometimes! I am going to an annual match in October, and I would guess half the stages will be shot with the Andersons, and half with the Kirsts. I have one of Walt's .45 ACP cylinders for the Piettas and it is a hoot. I use the same 230 grain RN lead bullet for my ,45 ACP WW231 Wild Bunch 1911 loads, and my Trail Boss .45 Schofield loads for my conversions. Both cylinders print about the same! I am doing a Cowboy Chronicle article on the Kirst 1860 .45 ACP cylinder as a two for one gun in the 5.5" sheriff model, using also the .45 Colt cylinder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuolumne Lawman 6127 Posted September 5, 2022 Author Share Posted September 5, 2022 My 8" Pietta/Kirst Saber River 1860 Konversion in .45 Colt/Schofield and my 5.5" Pietta/Kirst Sheriff Model 1860 Konversion in .45 Colt/Schofield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted September 5, 2022 Share Posted September 5, 2022 ive been thinking on going this way for a bit now - your posts have edged me closer , i really like the look and i see the options leave a lot of room for a persons preferences , i have one 1858 at this point bet i think i need a couple more to kick this off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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