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Mark Novak repairs a Winchester 1892 in 45 ACP


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Thanks for sharing this video. I have heard of the 92 being modified to shoot 45 ACP, but this is the first I have seen one. I shoot an Interarms Rossi 92 in 357 for cowboy action and really like the action. 
 

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I need a .45ACP 92 like a hole in the head. But now I really want one!

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2 hours ago, Michigan Slim said:

I need a .45ACP 92 like a hole in the head. But now I really want one!

Right?!

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I always enjoy Mark's videos. Statistically speaking, 50% of all gunsmiths are at the bottom of the skill-level curve. I would say Mark is in the top 10 percentile. 

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I don't have one but that interests me for sure! Wonder if you would have to run flat nose rounds instead of the 230 ball for safety? 

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2 hours ago, J.C. Bell, SASS #15217 said:

What would the charge be to a customer for that much work?  

A lot. But the gun in the video is owned by a friend or employee of Mark, so I suspect he got a discount. I have checked into sending Mark a gun and he has more work than he can handle so it is the old law of supply and demand. You demand his time you better supply the cash.

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PLUS ONE for The Warden

 

Rifle was converted in Sud Amerika way back when.  Governmental entity elected same same rifle and pistol caliber.  That particular rifle has some serious milage onnit you betcha.  Takes special Cartridge Guides, Special Magazine Stop, Special Lifter.  He never showed the lifter dang it.  I wanted to see the lifter.

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That conversion job is very poorly done. I'm surprised Mr. Novak got it to work at all.

 

Converting a 92 is no harder than converting a Marlin 94.

 

To convert a 92 to 45 ACP you need to use a 38/357 as a donor rifle. The rim diameter is only 0.040 smaller, so the mag tube and bolt face will better fit the new case. You still have to make a new barrel or reline the old one as the base diameter of a 45 ACP is is 0.003 smaller than the base diameter of a 38/357 and need to  need to get rid of the rim cutout on the breech face.

 

New cartridge guides are pretty straight forward and the old carrier can be reused. The existing cartridge stop on the LH guide may need to be lengthened ever so slightly. You will need to add a new stop on the carrier to match the new OAL.

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2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

That conversion job is very poorly done. I'm surprised Mr. Novak got it to work at all.

 

Converting a 92 is no harder than converting a Marlin 94.

 

To convert a 92 to 45 ACP you need to use a 38/357 as a donor rifle. The rim diameter is only 0.040 smaller, so the mag tube and bolt face will better fit the new case. You still have to make a new barrel or reline the old one as the base diameter of a 45 ACP is is 0.003 smaller than the base diameter of a 38/357 and need to  need to get rid of the rim cutout on the breech face.

 

New cartridge guides are pretty straight forward and the old carrier can be reused. The existing cartridge stop on the LH guide may need to be lengthened ever so slightly. You will need to add a new stop on the carrier to match the new OAL.

 

Did you do this conversion? The reason I ask is a 45acp at .470" won't fit into a 357mag tube at .445". Too big for the 357m bolt face, too.

 

Here is one I replaced the ejector in. It was converted down in Brazil for a rubber plantation police force so they could use the same ammo they were using in the systemas and balistor moline 45s.

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They used 44-40s and 38-40's then the mag tubes were set back protruding into the receiver.

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The left side guide was shortened for the cart stop as was the carrier shortened.

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The right side not modified.

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Probably the most unique thing was the caliber marking 45LC. In the early 1900's that was their name for 45 ACP. It was called 45 Latin Cartridge.

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These guns didn't work that well. Particularly at speed. They tend to throw out live rounds with emptied. This was mainly because the 45acp had no rim that would ride in the angled rim slots. Slow and deliberate they sorta work.

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7 hours ago, Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 said:

 

Did you do this conversion? The reason I ask is a 45acp at .470" won't fit into a 357mag tube at .445". Too big for the 357m bolt face, too.

 

Here is one I replaced the ejector in. It was converted down in Brazil for a rubber plantation police force so they could use the same ammo they were using in the systemas and balistor moline 45s.

DSCN0590.thumb.JPG.85353751bde9421562b302c846386b67.JPG

 

They used 44-40s and 38-40's then the mag tubes were set back protruding into the receiver.

DSCN0563.JPG.bcac37b60747d173b3571f66ec6fa4da.JPG

 

DSCN0562.JPG.bf2323c92516e5df04db1354a8a68a4e.JPG

 

The left side guide was shortened for the cart stop as was the carrier shortened.

DSCN0581.thumb.JPG.5f83d96740db2de43367edd8e96fdf46.JPG

 

The right side not modified.

DSCN0583.JPG.ec2e63e4ed2c0a667df4f291b653ec60.JPG

 

Probably the most unique thing was the caliber marking 45LC. In the early 1900's that was their name for 45 ACP. It was called 45 Latin Cartridge.

DSCN0558.JPG.7d4a2ee27383331bfbcda2a5df44336e.JPG

 

These guns didn't work that well. Particularly at speed. They tend to throw out live rounds with emptied. This was mainly because the 45acp had no rim that would ride in the angled rim slots. Slow and deliberate they sorta work.

 

Thanks for the correction. I was looking at rim diameter not case diameter.

 

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