Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Over the last 39 years I have traveled and shot in 25 states and traveled through 3 other states I did not stop to shoot. Never had any problems. Only flew twice all other times drove with firearms, ammo and equipment in vehicle out of sight. Don't do anything to attract attention or be stopped by law enforcement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 28, 2022 Share Posted May 28, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 3:01 PM, Eyesa Horg said: Amazing the rules and paranoia to exercise our Constitutional right. ive got to agree with you here , it should not be any more difficult anywhere , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 On 5/25/2022 at 6:01 PM, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: (You can even cross state lines with a C&R Machine Gun without the ATF's permission.) It's just an added level of protection of you have a Federal Permit to do so. Anything over 50 years old is automatically C&R. Anything made before the 1898 cut off date, even cartridge guns, is an antique and not subject to FEDERAL Firearms laws. State laws may vary. That's why I think C&R's might actually be "safer" with the specific permit. As one that owns Class 3 weapons and silencers. You may want to read the Rules and regulations on owning a Class 3 and how to acquire one and rules for crossing State Borders with a Class 3 Firearm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: As one that owns Class 3 weapons and silencers. You may want to read the Rules and regulations on owning a Class 3 and how to acquire one and rules for crossing State Borders with a Class 3 Firearm. I have read the rules. When I was researching them, I was surprised to learn that if the machine gun in question is also C&R eligible, and if you have a C&R FFL, you can cross state lines without getting prior permission. (I even asked at ATF Agent about this to make sure I understood correctly. He said I did.) OBTAINING such a gun in the first place is no different. And of course, you need to be aware of any additional state laws that may apply to your specific location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Dan Troop 70448 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I have read the rules. When I was researching them, I was surprised to learn that if the machine gun in question is also C&R eligible, and if you have a C&R FFL, you can cross state lines without getting prior permission. (I even asked at ATF Agent about this to make sure I understood correctly. He said I did.) OBTAINING such a gun in the first place is no different. And of course, you need to be aware of any additional state laws that may apply to your specific location. Fully automatic firearms are not C&R eligible even if 50+ years old. They still need to be transferred through a Class 3 Licensed holder and appropriate application with a 200.00 payment and review by ATF.. Holding a C&R License will not be an automatic in buying or collecting one. If you plan on crossing state lines were they are recognized, you have to fill out a notice, can be done on-line. Also anytime weapon leaves home, appropriate paper work with stamp must be carried along or a copy. Best to contact a Class 3 Dealer who will give you all the rules and laws to meet and follow. As to ATF agents, several Gunshops have been told wrong info by an agent that wasn't clear about rules and laws. With any Class 3 items, better to be cautious then face heavy fines, jail time, and confiscations of same or all. I'm done on this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Marshal Dan Troop 70448 said: Fully automatic firearms are not C&R eligible even if 50+ years old. They still need to be transferred through a Class 3 Licensed holder and appropriate application with a 200.00 payment and review by ATF.. Holding a C&R License will not be an automatic in buying or collecting one. If you plan on crossing state lines were they are recognized, you have to fill out a notice, can be done on-line. Also anytime weapon leaves home, appropriate paper work with stamp must be carried along or a copy. Yes, they are. To quote the C&R Book list... Section IV — NFA firearms classified as curios or relics, still subject to the provisions of 26 U.S.C. Chapter 53, the National Firearms Act, and 18 U.S.C. Chapter 44, the Gun Control Act of 1968. Rather than list several pages of guns that are then listed, here's just a specific example... Auto Ordnance, Korean War Commemorative, Thompson Model 1928, cal. .45. Auto Ordnance, Thompson Model 1928, cal. .22, machinegun in original configuration as manufactured at the West Hurley, NY, facility between 1980 and 1981. Auto Ordnance, WWII Commemorative, Thompson Model 1928, cal. .45. Auto Ordnance Corporation, Model 1928 Thompson sub-machineguns, all cal.’s (including .45 and .22), manufactured in the 1970s and 1980s in West Hurley, New York. Thompson, Model 1927, semiautomatic carbine, cal. .45 ACP. Thompson, Model 1928, Korean War Commemorative submachineguns, cal. .45, produced by Auto Ordnance, West Hurley, NY. Thompson, Model 1928, Navy, 1921 overstamp, cal. .45ACP, submachinegun, mfd. by Colt. Thompson, submachinegun, Model M1, cal. .45, mfd. by Auto Ordnance Corporation, West Hurley, New York, between 1985 and 1986, having S/Ns from M100A to M717A. In other words, Tommyguns are C&R. *Purchasing* one still requires you to go though ALL the NFA 34 procedures. Those can not be avoided. But once you actually OWN the gun, you do have some limited lessening of the regs. Which is all I ever said. I never said a C&R was a shortcut to getting such a gun in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Class 3 etc, carry a copy of the paper work with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 On 5/26/2022 at 8:26 AM, Bison Bud said: .. I'm pretty sure you are required in virtually all states to inform the officer if you get stopped. ... States that require Driver to inform the Officer: Alaska Arizona - if asked Arkansa - if asked Connecticut - if asked Delaware - if asked Florida - if asked Illinois - if asked Iowa - if asked Louisiana Maine Maryland - if asked Massachusetts - if asked Michigan Minnesota - if asked Missouri - if asked Nebraska Nevada - if asked New York - if asked North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma - if asked South Carolina Texas - if asked Virginia Washington - if asked Wisconsin - if asked Above information from "Legal Heat" smart phone APP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 1 hour ago, Matthew Duncan said: States that require Driver to inform the Officer: Alaska Arizona - if asked Arkansa - if asked Connecticut - if asked Delaware - if asked Florida - if asked Illinois - if asked Iowa - if asked Louisiana Maine Maryland - if asked Massachusetts - if asked Michigan Minnesota - if asked Missouri - if asked Nebraska Nevada - if asked New York - if asked North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma - if asked South Carolina Texas - if asked Virginia Washington - if asked Wisconsin - if asked Above information from "Legal Heat" smart phone APP So, it's not required in states like Alaska, Michigan or Virginia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugler Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 not required here in Montana either. Bugler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 7 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: So, it's not required in states like Alaska, Michigan or Virginia? For Virginia residents, if a LEO runs the plates/driver, it will come back with a flag if the person has a VA carry permit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 8 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: So, it's not required in states like Alaska, Michigan or Virginia? It’s is required to inform the police without being asked to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Bud Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 21 hours ago, Matthew Duncan said: States that require Driver to inform the Officer: Alaska Arizona - if asked Arkansa - if asked Connecticut - if asked Delaware - if asked Florida - if asked Illinois - if asked Iowa - if asked Louisiana Maine Maryland - if asked Massachusetts - if asked Michigan Minnesota - if asked Missouri - if asked Nebraska Nevada - if asked New York - if asked North Carolina North Dakota Ohio Oklahoma - if asked South Carolina Texas - if asked Virginia Washington - if asked Wisconsin - if asked Above information from "Legal Heat" smart phone APP Thanks Matthew, I stand corrected and probably should have originally stated that it varies from state to state. However, Kentucky probably needs to be added to the list. It was a long time ago (maybe 20 years) when I took the required course and testing for a concealed carry permit here in Kentucky and it might have changed since then, but at that time it was clearly mandatory to inform the officer if stopped while carrying a loaded gun or any other concealed weapon. I've only been stopped twice since then and both times I put my shooter on the passenger seat and stuck my hands out the side window until the Policeman got along side, then I informed him that I was carrying and that I had put my shooter on the seat in plain view. Both times I was asked to get out of the car while we talked and only gave them the driver's licence out of my wallet, as they did not want me to go into the glove box for my registration with the gun on the seat or have to handle the weapon. Also both times I was let go with a warning and no ticket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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