Subdeacon Joe Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/why-a-jeep-owner-is-sued-after-dealership-employee-was-killed-during-oil-change Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Hell, this is America. You can sue anybody for anything. Doesn’t mean you’ll collect a dime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 minute ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Hell, this is America. You can sue anybody for anything. Doesn’t mean you’ll collect a dime. True. But to make the owner of a car liable no matter who is driving it is messed up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundog Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 Quote Why a Jeep owner is sued after dealership employee was killed during oil change It would kill me too if somebody tried to drain the oil out of me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Sundog said: It would kill me too if somebody tried to drain the oil out of me. If that was me getting sued I'd try to hire some ambitious young attorney and sue everybody involved in creating that Jeep from the miners who got the ore out of the ground, to the manufacturer to the ad agency and media pukes who coaxed my into buying it to the company who produced the paint, the petroleum companies, the manufacturers of the glass, rubber and anything else connected with it. That should also included every politician who was instrumental in getting these stupid CS laws passed. All of these people and companies contributed to my anxiety, PTSD, lack of sleep, a high blood pressure and dietary discomfort, loss of sex drive, falling hair, etc. Bound to be someone who'd cave in and pay a ton to get me out of their hair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I have nothing nice to say and what I would say may be held against me later so I will move on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 11 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/why-a-jeep-owner-is-sued-after-dealership-employee-was-killed-during-oil-change Is this only Michigan law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 At this age and health, vigilante comes to mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: Is this only Michigan law? I certainly hope so. I have twice borrowed someone else's truck. Two different people. And several years ago, when I went out of town, I let this young lady drive my Bronco for 2 weeks, in exchange for her coming by and feeding and draining my dog. It would truly suck if my stupidity would got either of my two friends in trouble, or if her stupidity would get me in trouble. It's bad enough if I wrecked someone else's car. But to have them get sued for my lousy driving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 LOL Land of Lawyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I have my doubts about the story, though I know nothing of Michigan law. But I practiced here for 44 years and defended many an auto accident case. Inability to sue the co-worker or employer is the usual situation; it's a workers-comp case and most such systems eliminate liability to the employer or coworker outside the comp system. You can usually sue a third party, if there is a basis of liability. My state, as many others, has statutes that provide a vehicle owner is putatively liable for the use of his car, but this usually creates only a rebuttable presumption which is easily defeated, as it would be here in this state. In the situation in the story, that would be easy and straightforward. Michigan can pass any laws it wants. Ok by me. But I'd hazard just a guess that it's not quite like the article says. These sorts of articles I always take with a huge grain of salt. They are just designed to rile people up. Seems to have worked.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 worthless laws NFA "34 GCA "68 Clinton gun ban way too many to list Chickasaw Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Alpo said: feeding and draining my dog . . . we never have had our cats drained; maybe just a dog thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted May 6, 2022 Author Share Posted May 6, 2022 17 minutes ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: we never have had our cats drained; maybe just a dog thing Or an Alpo thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 28 minutes ago, Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L said: we never have had our cats drained; maybe just a dog thing 9 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: Or an Alpo thing. Cats don't need to go out to be drained. They pee in the kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alpo said: Cats don't need to go out to be drained. They pee in the kitchen. Dogs will pee in the kitchen also if you don’t let them out , some may even if you do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 "He starts the engine, removes the clutch, and then a terrible thing happened - the car lunched and killed my client," said attorney David Femminineo. I don't think I'd be lettin' Attorney Femminineo drive MY car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I’ve heard of some weird ones here in Mi , but never this . Some of our no fault car insurance laws are pretty screwed up , but I wouldn’t think that would have anything to do with this . I know if I’m driving my insurance is supposed to take care of me and the other person’s insurance is supposed to take care of them . Also if I’m driving someone else’s car my insurance is buying. Maybe it has something to do with the kid not having a DL ? All the legal wrangling aside it sure seems like the kids and car dealerships responsibility. Guessing they are going after the car owners insurance co , I don’t see the average Jeep owner being able to cough up 15 mil , maybe a deep pockets thing ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizPete Posted May 6, 2022 Share Posted May 6, 2022 I've been out of the insurance business a long time, but in my day the vehicle owner bore responsibility for the permissive user's legal & responsible nature; i.e. be careful who you lend your vehicle to. And yes - everybody in the food chain can and probably will be sued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 12:46 PM, Buckshot Bob said: Dogs will pee in the kitchen also if you don’t let them out , some may even if you do Mini Dachshunds when the ground is wet. Over the years I have had 4 females & every one of them would fake pee when they were put out after it rained. After they were let back in the go in a room where you weren't and wet the carpet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 On 5/6/2022 at 1:56 PM, MizPete said: I've been out of the insurance business a long time, but in my day the vehicle owner bore responsibility for the permissive user's legal & responsible nature; i.e. be careful who you lend your vehicle to. And yes - everybody in the food chain can and probably will be sued. "Permissive use" is an auto insurance term and concept, not a tort liability concept. Most auto policies provide that a permissive user of your car is covered for liability under your insurance policy. This does not mean that giving permission to use your car makes you liable for the negligent driving of the user; it means that the user will be covered under your policy. As an example, if your neighbor's car is busted, and he borrows your car to go to the grocery store to get his family's groceries, and runs a red light and injures somebody, you won't be liable for his negligence, but the insurance policy on your car (i.e., your insurance), will cover him for the accident. And it will be primary before his own auto policy. Of course, this is most places. It's important to distinguish between liability concepts and issues, and insurance concepts and issues. They are not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 Oh, don’t worry. Once the legislature figures out the law is in need of updating they’ll take care of it. That’s what happens in California and look at the Utopia of freedom we have here now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamus McGillicuddy Posted May 9, 2022 Share Posted May 9, 2022 In California an owner can be liable for the actions of a negligent permissive user but, barring extraordinary circumstances, is only liable up to the minimum amount of insurance one is legally required to maintain. Seamus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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