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Moskva was a Slava class missile cruiser and flagship of the Russian Black Sea fleet.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_cruiser_Moskva

 

It has not been confirmed as the actual cause of the sinking, with Ukraine claiming two hits using surface to surface missiles and responsibility, while the Russians are saying it was due to a fire reaching an ammunition storage compartment.

 

When it comes to major surface warships, Russia is down to 1 carrier, 2 missile battle cruisers and two missile cruisers and 10 destroyers and not all of the ships are operational.

 

Russia either cannot afford any new major warships or can no longer build them.  The only new surface warships Russian seems to be building are frigate or corvette sized ships.  A lot has changed since the Cold War, but the downside is that if Russia is no longer a major conventional military power, they may be more likely to consider using nuclear weapons.  How may of their nuclear weapons are serviceable is an interesting question.

 

 

 

 

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24 minutes ago, Chantry said:

It has not been confirmed as the actual cause of the sinking, with Ukraine claiming two hits using surface to surface missiles and responsibility, while the Russians are saying it was due to a fire reaching an ammunition storage compartment.


Yeah, ships tend to do that after

GETTING HIT WITH A MISSILE! :lol:
 

Russians…Sheesh!

 

 

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Merely added it to their portfolio of naval vessels as a submarine. :ph34r:

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2 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

In what way?

Seriously beefing up their navy for several years now.

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About that “aircraft carrier”, she is officially a battle cruiser because Turkey won’t allow aircraft carrier to pass through the Bosporus.

 

she was launched in ‘85, became a fully operational member of the Russian fleet in ‘95. Was often accompanied by a sea going tug, just in case.


 

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On 30 October 2018, Admiral Kuznetsov was damaged when Russia's biggest floating dry dock, PD-50, sank, causing one of its 70-ton cranes to crash onto the ship's flight deck, leaving behind a 19-square-metre (200 sq ft) hole. One person was reported missing and four injured as the dry dock sank in Kola Bay. Admiral Kuznetsov was in the process of being removed from the dock when the incident occurred, and was towed to a nearby yard after the incident.[79] According to Alexei Rakhmanov, president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation, the cost of repairing the damage was estimated to be RUB70 million (about US$1 million) and should not affect the timing of the current overhaul and modernization of the ship,[citation needed]though it is unclear how scheduling could fail to be affected by the sinking of the dry dock.[80]

The fallen crane was removed in two to three months.[81] In late May 2019, seven months later, information posted on Digital Forensic Research Lab's blog suggested that repair work of the aircraft carrier was underway.[82] That same month, it was also announced that two graving docks in Roslyakovo, Murmansk Oblast would be merged and enlarged to accommodate Admiral Kuznetsov, the work taking a year and a half.[83]

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In December 2019, a major fire broke out on board Admiral Kuznetsov as work continued on the ship's refit.[84] Two people died and fourteen suffered injuries from the fire and smoke inhalation.[85] Fire-related damage aboard Admiral Kuznetsov is estimated at US$8 million.[86]

 

She is expected to return to the fleet in 2024.

 

my 2¢ worth here: so mane of the sailors who knew how to operate her have left the service, it will need a year of sea trials to get her to be operational again.

 

her fuel is mazut, a heavy low quality residue of the distillation process, thus she can often be spotted at sea because of the heavy cloud of black smoke trailing her.

 

 

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16 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

Seriously beefing up their navy for several years now.

True but they could be beefing up nonsense, Anything i have learn about the Russians now is that Putin and his Force are greatly over hyped, I don't think China is any different.

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4 hours ago, .44bang said:

True but they could be beefing up nonsense, Anything i have learn about the Russians now is that Putin and his Force are greatly over hyped, I don't think China is any different.

I disagree. The Chinese economy, while in decline right now, has been much better than Russia’s for decades. They are much more tech savvy than the Russians, having been involved in making so many products for the West for decades. And very good at espionage as well. 
Russia is pretty much a paper tiger with delusions of grandeur.

I think the Chinese tiger may be a real fire breather.

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We have our government and corporations to thank for helping China to attain the technological status that they have now.:angry:

 

 

 

 

Ooops...had to edit

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10 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said:

They stole it from China, it's now a Junk!

A Sunk Junk! :D

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2 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

I disagree. The Chinese economy, while in decline right now, has been much better than Russia’s for decades. They are much more tech savvy than the Russians, having been involved in making so many products for the West for decades. And very good at espionage as well. 
Russia is pretty much a paper tiger with delusions of grandeur.

I think the Chinese tiger may be a real fire breather.

 

I think the Chinese have a lot of good weapons, but their military is completely untested. The last time they fought a major war was Korea, and that basically involved throwing soldiers at the enemy until the latter ran out of ammunition. Most of what they know about military strategy is from watching us in the Middle East and going back to Sun Tzu's old book.

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The US army was completely untested in WW1 and 2.

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10 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

We have our government and corporations to thank for helping China to attain the technological status that they have now.:angry:

 

 

 

 

Ooops...had to edit

And now, They pose as a potential threat, Lesson is don't teach people everything you know.

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1 hour ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

 

I think the Chinese have a lot of good weapons, but their military is completely untested. The last time they fought a major war was Korea, and that basically involved throwing soldiers at the enemy until the latter ran out of ammunition. Most of what they know about military strategy is from watching us in the Middle East and going back to Sun Tzu's old book.

Actually the PLA fought a war, very poorly, against the Vietnamese in 1979.

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Interesting tid bit.  The Moskva was built in Ukraine in Mariupol.  It was also the ship off Snake Island that asked for the Ukrainains to surrender.  It is now on a postage stamp showing a Ukrainian soldier with his one finger reply.  I guess they will have to issue a new stamp showing the ocean.

 

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4 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

We have our government and corporations to thank for helping China to attain the technological status that they have now.:angry:

 

 

 

 

Ooops...had to edit

 

Lessee... back around 1993 - 1994, as "good will gestures," the then-current administration agreed to sell China a supercomputer and sophisticated machine tools, as well as other sensitive products.  Some may recall this being discussed as the "vertical mills sale" in the news of the day.

 

Actually, the "machine tools" were multi-axis (five or more axes) mills with accuracy potential measured in microns (one micron = one millionth of a meter - ten microns is less than four ten thousands of an inch).

 

One might consider these sales to have been the seeds of China's present advanced technological status.

 

[Way to go, Bill...]

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