Tennessee williams Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 out of 33 reloads separated. I hadone do this last batch also. Did o get some less than stellar hulls? One thought is I size with a Mec sizer. Is it possible to go too tight? Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 In thousands of rounds with AA's and Green Reminto's I have never seen this happen. Using a couple of Mec Jr's and a Texan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Too Tall Bob Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Well, after thousands of rounds on a MEC size master I have never seen that happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Reno had 2 that did that last Sunday when we practiced and he had at least 2 that did that one other practice session. I have no idea what causes it, he doesn’t load with a MEC. RANDY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 21 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: Reno had 2 that did that last Sunday when we practiced and he had at least 2 that did that one other practice session. I have no idea what causes it, he doesn’t load with a MEC. RANDY I don't load with a Mec either, but I resize with the Mec supersizer. If he does too, there's a common denominator. The hull pulled right off the end on to my dillon die. That makes for a mess! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGT. ELI 35882 GUNFIGHTER Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I have have it happen on new factory Remington Gun Clubs before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 6, 2022 Author Share Posted February 6, 2022 These are new remington sts hulls. I don't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tn Tombstone Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Might not want to use WIdders cast offs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 I use a MEC Grabber and B4 that a MEC 600 jr. and have never had that happen! Maybe it's premature brass scraping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 1 hour ago, Tn Tombstone said: Might not want to use WIdders cast offs. TN and Red Knee have been the preferred recipients of my used hulls. I got Red Knee believing that the secret to speed is in the hulls. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Knee Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 Always wondered why Widder was so eager to ship me his AA hulls......for free.??? And never could figure out why they were so dang slippery... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 4 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: 2 out of 33 reloads separated. I hadone do this last batch also. Did o get some less than stellar hulls? One thought is I size with a Mec sizer. Is it possible to go too tight? Thoughts? We use Mech...never had THAT happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 20 minutes ago, Red Knee said: Always wondered why Widder was so eager to ship me his AA hulls......for free.??? And never could figure out why they were so dang slippery... (Been too long, miss seeing that hair flyin' ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 2 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: TN and Red Knee have been the preferred recipients of my used hulls. I got Red Knee believing that the secret to speed is in the hulls. ..........Widder Dang Widder, you told me the secret to speed is to pull the trigger harder! Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Roper Posted February 6, 2022 Share Posted February 6, 2022 We've had that happen and load with a Dillon too but don't use a Sizemaster. We stopped using the STS's because Schwaby FINALLY got the AA's to load somewhat decently and won't mess with the press to switch over to the STS's. So we never figured out what caused it. Roper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo casey #19191 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Had a brand new AA do that to me. Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 6 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: I don't load with a Mec either, but I resize with the Mec supersizer. If he does too, there's a common denominator. The hull pulled right off the end on to my dillon die. That makes for a mess! Reno doesn’t use a Supersizer either. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rip Snorter Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I wonder if a couple of drops of superglue on match loads would work. I assume the casing stays in the chamber, some kind of tool to remove it needed as well - I know they have one one for the M 16, and back in the day for other weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 TW Are those loaded on the Dillon 900? The size die may be set too low and not releasing before the shell plate starts down. I have had this happen once on the press when I changed the die collet. I raised the die slightly and it has not happened since. Imis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Imis Twohofon,SASS # 46646 said: TW Are those loaded on the Dillon 900? The size die may be set too low and not releasing before the shell plate starts down. I have had this happen once on the press when I changed the die collet. I raised the die slightly and it has not happened since. Imis Maybe that's it. It makes a mess in the press! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mudflat Mike, SASS #20904 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 At a monthly match yesterday, I saw the same thing happen with the same Remington hulls in your photo. Me thinks there is some quality control issues! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 10 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: 2 out of 33 reloads separated. I hadone do this last batch also. Did o get some less than stellar hulls? One thought is I size with a Mec sizer. Is it possible to go too tight? Thoughts? I use a MEC 9000g followed by a Super Sizer. I've also been using the new Roger Rapid die to cone the ends. I recently had one once-fired STS hull separate like yours, out of about 1,000 loaded rounds. It separated when I withdrew it from the RR coning die. I've used the 9000 or my previous MEC Sizemaster, both with the Super Sizer and once-fired STS hulls for a number of years, never before having a separation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 I had one separate after I fired it stuck the hull in the sg. It was an 87 so I was done for the stage.New sg shell and it looked as though the base had not been sized far enough to hold on the hull. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 7, 2022 Author Share Posted February 7, 2022 To clarify, the hull separated in the press. It just pulled right off there. 3rd or 4th one so far. Brand new hulls. They went straight from the super sizer to the dillon. It separated at the powder drop station. Pretty weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 TW, have you got a cookie sheet or something under the SG press to catch straying BBs or powder? Took me two times cleaning up a mess before I did that. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renegade Roper Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 7 hours ago, Krazy Kajun said: TW, have you got a cookie sheet or something under the SG press to catch straying BBs or powder? Took me two times cleaning up a mess before I did that. Kajun We use a plastic boot tray. As for the hulls coming apart we've had them happen in the press during the loading process and when shooting. Haven't had one happen yet with the AA's. (Just jinxed myself.) But the AA's certainly have their own quality issues. I have about a third of a box of factory shells that the base metal is mutilated in some fashion with chunks out of it or is peeled back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 12 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: To clarify, the hull separated in the press. It just pulled right off there. 3rd or 4th one so far. Brand new hulls. They went straight from the super sizer to the dillon. It separated at the powder drop station. Pretty weird. You may need to hang a couple of chicken's feet on the press to ward off the bad Ju Ju! Thanks Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toranado, SASS # 58447 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 17 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: To clarify, the hull separated in the press. It just pulled right off there. 3rd or 4th one so far. Brand new hulls. They went straight from the super sizer to the dillon. It separated at the powder drop station. Pretty weird. I have a dillon 900 and have been doing some quantity loading of Rem Sts hulls over winter and have it happen maybe 4-5 hulls, IN the station #2. Hull is stuck up in the powder die and the base is still sitting on the shell plate. Mostly happened to Rem. Gold sts hulls. Maybe only 1 green from my experience. Never figured out issue. Pain to whack that hull out of station 2 die and then a pain to clean. If someone comes up with a solution, I'm interested. I'm loading mainly at least once/twice fired hulls though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 Not at all uncommon. The STS series of Remington hulls (STS, Nitro, Gun Cub) are the last remaining extruded hulls. The casing is formed and then the rim is crimped on. Sometimes the crimping process gets out of adjustment and you will hit a batch where several rims come off. I have had STS and Nitros separate and it had nothing to do with the SuperSizer. I have my SuperSizer and the collet in my Sizemaster set to the maximum I can adjust them short of breaking the fingers. Had several once fired STS's separate on my Spolar a couple of days ago. It is electrically operated and when this happens it makes a mess of spilled powder and shot. In the photo one case had the rim separate and the primer got jammed sideways in the rim section. On another jam the rim came off and the plastic hull stayed in the decapping die. The next round came up and smashed everything. Part of the fun of reloading shotgun shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted February 7, 2022 Share Posted February 7, 2022 8 hours ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: You may need to hang a couple of chicken's feet on the press to ward off the bad Ju Ju! Thanks Randy Who knows, maybe someone slipped some voodoo stuff into his gear at the Regional and he just hasn't found it yet. Or maybe not....only one way to tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 23 hours ago, Krazy Kajun said: TW, have you got a cookie sheet or something under the SG press to catch straying BBs or powder? Took me two times cleaning up a mess before I did that. Kajun Dang Kajun. Good idea. Appreciate ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/6/2022 at 11:31 AM, Tennessee williams said: 2 out of 33 reloads separated. I hadone do this last batch also. Did o get some less than stellar hulls? One thought is I size with a Mec sizer. Is it possible to go too tight? Thoughts? Never seen that happen in 25 years of reloading shotgun. I've used a couple different MEC's and a Lee Load All II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 Q: has this started since I stayed at your place during the TN State? Q: did it ever happen before I stayed at your place? ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Badly Posted February 8, 2022 Share Posted February 8, 2022 TW has a B&B? Is it close to the range? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted February 8, 2022 Author Share Posted February 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Mister Badly said: TW has a B&B? Is it close to the range? 12,000 per night. But, I'll do buy one get one free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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