PanioloPete Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 http://starlinebrass.com/.45cowboyspecial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 Posted January 17, 2022 Share Posted January 17, 2022 Link does not work for me at 6:45 Eastern time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 Does anyone have experience loading the .45 Cowboy Special brass case? It has a .45 Colt rim and head, but .45 ACP length. I figure it’s like using .38 Special or .44 Special loads in .357 and .44 Magnum firearms. Anyway I ordered some to try out. Looking forward to shooting some SASS matches again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Prairie Dawg, SASS #50329 said: Link does not work for me at 6:45 Eastern time Sorry, I just wrote it from my poor memory… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 17, 2022 Author Share Posted January 17, 2022 Try this: https://www.starlinebrass.com/45-cowboy-special Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I used 4.2 grains of Reddot or a case full of APP or 777 FFg under a 200-230 grain cast bullet. Some cowboys will go lighter but my OMVs liked a little oomph to make up for the excessive free bore (distance to the rifling). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHOOTIN FOX Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I shoot 3.5 gr Promo under a 130 gr Barnstormer bullet. PM me for info on the barnstormer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3.9 grains of Clays and Desperado Cowboy Bullets' 170 grain bullets. Real easy on my arthritis in old model Bisley Vaqueros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CASS, Singing Hills Ranch Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Thank you I picked some up. Ruger OMV Bisleys 5.5" I use 1.3cc goex 3f with a 200 gr MBC black powder lube. I use 6.0 gr Unique with a 200 gr for smokeless. I save the 200 gr big lube bullets for the rifle. 24" rifle is 8.0 gr Unique or 2.2 cc Goex with the 200 gr bullet. For 45 CS I use 45 colt resize die, then switch to 45acp dies for the next 3 steps (4 die lee) The 45acp dies are set the same as for my 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driftwood Johnson, SASS #38283 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Howdy The 45 Cowboy Special has the same internal capacity as 45ACP. It was designed that way. Any data for 45ACP can be used with 45CS. You could also use data for 45 Auto Rim. Left to right in this photo are 45 Colt, 45 Schofield, 45 Cowboy Special, 45 Auto Rim, and 45 ACP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Choctaw Jack Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3.9 grains of Clay-Dot under a 160 grain roundnose powder coated bullet. Very light recoil plenty of power for the knockdowns. Choctaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artemus Von Schutze Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3.0 grains of Trailboss with a 200 gr bullet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Man Graybeard Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I have been loading 3.5 grains of trailboss under a 200 grain rnfp. Nice easy load in both my derringer and Old Model Vaquaros Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I use 4.2 grains of Bullseye or WST with a 175 grain bullet. If adapting .45 auto data, do not use a load that exceeds your REVOLVER pressure limits. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Trying 160 gr RFN on top of 5.0 gr bullseye. Got a little kick to it so you know you are shooting something. Probably try 4.5 grains also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 4 grains of Red Dot and a 200grn bullet from Scarlett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 This topic would be a good candidate for a sticky, since any "official" reloading data is not in the books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I use 4.2 grains of Clays under a 160 RNFP bullet. Be careful with 45ACP data as it is much hotter than need for CAS. ACP has to cycle the gun, CAS doesn't. JMHO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 13 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: I use 4.2 grains of Clays under a 160 RNFP bullet. Be careful with 45ACP data as it is much hotter than need for CAS. ACP has to cycle the gun, CAS doesn't. JMHO 45 acp runs about 21k pressure and max on 45 colt is 14k. SO if you use 45 acp data to form a load make sure you are aware of the pressures and don't go over 14k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 42 minutes ago, Eyesa Horg said: I use 4.2 grains of Clays under a 160 RNFP bullet. Be careful with 45ACP data as it is much hotter than need for CAS. ACP has to cycle the gun, CAS doesn't. JMHO That was my thought as well on the .45 ACP load data. Using .45 ACP dies due to the length is sound though. I’m a fan of Ruger SAs after a reloading mishap years ago, but I like to stay in the 750-850 fps for ease of handling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 15 hours ago, Slapshot said: Trying 160 gr RFN on top of 5.0 gr bullseye. Got a little kick to it so you know you are shooting something. Probably try 4.5 grains also. I still have a couple pounds of Bullseye and Universal Clays from when I was actively shooting and competing, so those are my preferred powders right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 Thanks to all y’all for yore recipes and suggestions! Can’t wait to get those cases and give ‘em a try. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PanioloPete Posted January 18, 2022 Author Share Posted January 18, 2022 19 hours ago, Tom Bullweed said: I used 4.2 grains of Reddot or a case full of APP or 777 FFg under a 200-230 grain cast bullet. Some cowboys will go lighter but my OMVs liked a little oomph to make up for the excessive free bore (distance to the rifling). That excessive freeborn was my curiosity. Just wondering if it was going to be an accuracy problem. Thanks for your insight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 All this talk of freebore always makes me laugh. For years people who wanted accurate target guns loaded 38 special brass in a .357 gun, and used a big flat ended bullet seated flush with the end of the brass, that would contribute nothing to centering itself in the forcing cone of a barrel. And it worked fine. And here we worry about being able to hit an 18" plate at 20 feet or less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Von Dutch, SASS # 7995 Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 I load 45 Cowboy Special with 3.2 gr clays 165 gr Bear Creek bullet Fed # 150 primer it Chronographs at 524 avg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wesley James Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 3.8 Grains of Trail Boss 160 Grain RNFP from RimRock Bullets. Federal #150 Primmer Never had a problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted January 18, 2022 Share Posted January 18, 2022 Many of the same guns can include a 45 ACP cylinder, implying some capability of the gun in general above the standard spec. Yes, there would be a longer throat. How many cautionary posts do we need? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, Roscoe Regulator said: Many of the same guns can include a 45 ACP cylinder, implying some capability of the gun in general above the standard spec. Yes, there would be a longer throat. How many cautionary posts do we need? Thats actually a good point. If a revolver can use a 45 acp cylinder then that revolver should be spec'd to the acp's 21k pressure range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 18 minutes ago, Slapshot said: Thats actually a good point. If a revolver can use a 45 acp cylinder then that revolver should be spec'd to the acp's 21k pressure range. OH NO! not this topic again. OK I will play. A Colt SAA can come with a 45ACP cylinder . Now we get into bolt thrust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Jack Black Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 1 minute ago, john brown said: OH NO! not this topic again. OK I will play. A Colt SAA can come with a 45ACP cylinder and a 45 colt cylinder. Now we can talk about case dimensions . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 45 ACP data for use in a gun rated for 45 Colt can be extrapolated for use in 45CS keeping mind that SAAMI spec (I looked it up) shows the 45 ACP pressure max as 21K psi and 18K CUP. One published data example states the load as generating 13.5K CUP, so it is well below max at the nominal velocity for a given bullet weight. My own load is 5% below minimum powder weight for 45 ACP with my powder and even then was the heaviest charge I tested starting at 10% and 15% below. It just felt right for the impulse and reduced muzzle rise that I wanted from the gun when firing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOODFOX , sass#34179 Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 I have herd of some using Magnum primers in 45 cowboy special is there an advantage to them or are they just using them because it's all they can get ? Woodfox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roscoe Regulator Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 21 hours ago, john brown said: OH NO! not this topic again. OK I will play. A Colt SAA can come with a 45ACP cylinder . Now we get into bolt thrust. If that is a concern for fracturing the top strap, couldn't we presume that all that was tested by the manufacturer, certified by the stampings on the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slapshot Posted January 19, 2022 Share Posted January 19, 2022 No I don't think he is worried about much anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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