Clay Mosby Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Recently there was a "terrorist" caught at the southern border. (So what else is new? ) One article I read said he was caught because he was wearing an American Flag shoulder patch incorrectly. The picture shows the flag he was wearing. Question for the experts here, my brief research claimed that there is a flag designed to be worn on the right shoulder, and according to ppictures the person was wearing this flag on his right shoulder. So were the "experts" right or wrong?? Is there such a thing as a right shoulder patch? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Yep and that is the correct version for the right shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 https://www.warhistoryonline.com/guest-bloggers/facing-forward-american-flag-appears-reversed.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perro Del Diablo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 Other than it's alignment with seam it would be appropriate for right shoulder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 The flag is not to be seen in a retreating position, thus the blue field is on the right in a forward position on the right shoulder. I look at that jacket and think it might be on his left shoulder. TSA employees seem to be 50/50 as to which patch they wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: The flag is not to be seen in a retreating position, thus the blue field is on the right in a forward position on the right shoulder. Funny how that did not seem to bother them during World War II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Alpo said: Funny how that did not seem to bother them during World War II. evolution noun evo·lu·tion | \ ˌe-və-ˈlü-shən , ˌē-və- \ Definition of evolution ... 2a: a process of change in a certain direction Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 I prefer to think of it is change for change's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 It's positioned incorrectly and the border is supposed to be gold, not white. Two dead giveaways. As others have pointed out, the CURRENT practice when the Army wears the flag on the right shoulder is to display it "backwards." It hearkens back to the days when we fought in formation with a flag bearer holding the colors aloft for all to see. If the flag bearer is advancing towards the enemy, when viewed from the right side, the flag will appear backwards. That said, the Boy Scouts of America have an American flag on the right sleeve of their uniform, and it does NOT appear backwards. This was a hot topic of discussion a few years ago, with some folks demanding we change it to match the military practice. Despite my now-28 years of service in the Army and counting, I was vehemently opposed to the change in BSA (which, by the way failed; it still appears forwards). Why? The Boy Scouts are not attacking anything, nor should they even begin to think in those terms. If they ever do, I'm severing ties permanently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocWard Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 12 minutes ago, Alpo said: I prefer to think of it is change for change's sake. Change for change's sake is common in bureaucracies, including the military, but not so much in this case. Those flags such as the one in the image you posted were worn by paratroopers, and primarily for recognition behind enemy lines. There wasn't really a regulation that I am aware of that addressed it. Move forward to the modern era and the military didn't wear the flag at all, except for during deployments, if then. It wasn't until the 21st century that it pretty much became standard. At that time, the Institute of Heraldry gave a formal opinion on how it should be worn, and regulations changed to reflect the fact. Evolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 It is against the Law to wear the flag . It isn't enforced . It is against the Law . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 Posted December 24, 2021 Share Posted December 24, 2021 23 minutes ago, Bailey Creek,5759 said: It is against the Law to wear the flag . It isn't enforced . It is against the Law . It isn't against the law to wear the flag on clothing. It is against the flag code to wear the flag as clothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 We don't have that kind of problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Rick Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: We don't have that kind of problem. Neither do Ethiopia Kenya Nigeria Russia Sierra Leone Somalia Syria Vietnam Or Yemen But I don't think that's the kind of company I'd want to be compared to as having "similarities". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 i could care less of other countries - just want straight info on the "correct" current codes of ours , if there is an issue i do not want to violate but ill proudly wear my countries colors anywhere anytime , ill offer my redneck backside to those that disparage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 All I know is if you want to burn my flag, you better be wearing it when you do! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 im seeing this in a current car commercial that intimates it is worthy of respect - it is in motion forward , i can accept that but ill be open to other takes on the topic , i find most commercials tedious and less than truthful , they are selling something after all , funny how things we might have taken for granted or on face value in the past now become a question of reliable source in this age of the internet enlightenment [everybody can know - but nobody knows the truth] or at least you better verify with multiple sources to be sure , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 11 hours ago, Chief Rick said: Neither do Ethiopia Kenya Nigeria Russia Sierra Leone Somalia Syria Vietnam Or Yemen But I don't think that's the kind of company I'd want to be compared to as having "similarities". You forgot Poland and Austria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 On 12/24/2021 at 9:26 AM, Bailey Creek,5759 said: It is against the Law to wear the flag . It isn't enforced . It is against the Law . On 12/24/2021 at 9:50 AM, Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 said: It isn't against the law to wear the flag on clothing. It is against the flag code to wear the flag as clothing. This is against the law? Rubbish. It is called the First Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Thats nice . Never saw the Flag look so Good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redleg Reilly, SASS #46372 Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 3 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: This is against the law? Rubbish. It is called the First Amendment. If you read my words that you quoted, you'll notice that I said it was against the "flag code" tobe worn as clothing. Paragraph 8, subparagraph (d) The flag should never be used as wearing apparel, bedding, or drapery. It should never be festooned, drawn back, nor up, in folds, but always allowed to fall free. I never said it was against the law Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 Most people, when wearing a bathing suit, and are in the water, and have to pee - just pee. There you go lady - piss on the flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: This is against the law? Rubbish. It is called the First Amendment. While that has elements of the American flag it is clearly NOT the flag or made from a flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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