Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Our club is going to start running .22 silhouette matches. The targets are fairly small animal silhouette plates set at 25, 40 (why not 50 is a mystery to me), 75, and 100 yards. If anyone has any recommendations on rifles that would at least give me a chance to be competitive, I'd be greatly appreciative. I was thinking of a Winder Musket but the .22 Short bullet is so susceptible to crosswind at 100 yards that it would be very tricky, even with the Lyman 41 peep sight, I imagine. I don't know anything about the accuracy or suitability of a .22LR Stevens Favorite for this game, either. Comments, ideas, suggestions? Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex M Rugers #6621 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Winchester or Browning Low-Wall would be great Nothing wrong with the Stevens , either. Good luck , Rex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Send John Boy a PM and talk with him. He's an expert on single shot, period correct rifles. Even makes his own 22 ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Agate Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I've been shooting 22 BPCRA for a few years now and Its a blast. My shooting partner and I shot our first match at the nationals at the Wittington center and both did OK. We both ended up shooting in the AAA category Check out this website for the appropriate distances; http://www.22bpcra.com/ The Browning/ Winchester high walls are great guns. I shoot a CPA Stevens 44 1/2 and two of our other members (including my shooting partner)are using that rifle as well. Please feel free to contact me if I can answer any questions Jasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I was just bidding on a slightly used Miroku/Winchester Low Wall .22 LR a few days ago, but ended up 2nd - it went for $1470, shipped. A lot of scratch, but I've been looking for one for a long time, and now I regret not going higher. Oh well. There were 2400 of them made, there'll be another one eventually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 Yes, Three Foot Johnson, I saw that Miroku/Winchester rifle auction as well. A very pretty gun and I'm sure it shoots pretty straight. I'm thinking of something original, though, for the fun factor. I will have the opportunity later today to buy a .22 Short Winchester Low Wall Winder Musket (Third Variation, in the last batch made) that its owner says has an excellent clean bore and deep rifling and is mechanically top notch (I have not seen it in person yet). I'm just a bit concerned that I wouldn't really know where such a tiny little bullet is actually going to fly, even though the Winders were built for marksmanship training. Am I being foolish with this concern? (I'm not expanding my interests to black powder at this time, beyond my existing modern in-line BP hunting rifle.) ALSO, Jasper Agate, I just looked at the 22BPCRA rules, and I don't think a .22 Short Winchester 1885 Low Wall Winder Musket would be legal for that competition, were I so inclined to compete. First, the rules say "Cartridges: 22 Long Rifle Only," which instantly rules out original Winder Muskets. Second, the rules say "Rear sights will be of Vernier type ... peep... mounted on the tang or barrel." The Third Variation Winder Musket was fitted with a receiver-mounted Lyman 41 Vernier peep sight. So I guess if I have any intention to ever shoot in a 22BPCRA event, I should pass on the Winder Musket and keep looking. But I'm not sure I have that intention, and my club will let me shoot pretty much whatever I want, as long as it is .22 caliber. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Tex Jones, SASS 2263 said: Send John Boy a PM and talk with him. He's an expert on single shot, period correct rifles. Even makes his own 22 ammo. He makes 22 ammo!?! I didn't know that was even possible except in an industrial/chemical plant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil dogooder Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 said: He makes 22 ammo!?! I didn't know that was even possible except in an industrial/chemical plant. It's not that much more work than making your own primer. If your reloading it the tricky part is hammering out the old hammer hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugler Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 Several shooters in our local silhouette matches are quite successful with the Stevens 44 1/2's They also get extras hits for way cool styling!!! Bugler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I started with a Remington Rolling Block Model 4 in 22 long. I had the barrel relined and chambered for 22LR. I then went to the Winchester Low wall. Longer barrel = better accuracy. Peep sites are no good as they have no markings on them . How many turns for 150 meters. Windage is anyones guess. And they are illegal for official BPCRA events. As Jasper says we shoot 50/100/150/200 meter distances. We use vernier, traditional scopes and we throw in a modern class. Bolt action or Ruger 10-22's. Knocking a Ram down at 200 meters builds your shooting ego. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 Well, the gun was in great shape, so I bit the bullet (so to speak) and bought a very pretty .22 Short Winchester 1885 Low Wall Winder Musket (Third Variation), made in about early 1920. I'm sure I'll have fun with it, though if I really want to shoot in 22BPCRA matches, I'll just have to buy another rifle chambered in .22LR. And that would be a terrible thing to have to do, no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 minute ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: Peep sites are no good as they have no markings on them . How many turns for 150 meters. Windage is anyones guess. And they are illegal for official BPCRA events. The Lyman 41 peep sight has graduated marks for both elevation and windage adjustments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeb Gray, #36839 Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 If you have a .40 or .45 caliber single shot rifle, consider getting a Lee Shaver or Dave Crossno barrel liner. Check Buffalo Arms. They convert your rifle/sight package to .22 LR. Will work in Sharps, Rolling Blocks, Highwalls, H & R Handi Rifles, etc. Either are extremely accurate and an inexpensive way to get into .22 silhouette. I used a Crossno in my 45-90 Highwall before I got my CPA 44 1/2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Agate Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 On 12/19/2021 at 10:13 AM, Zeb Gray, #36839 said: If you have a .40 or .45 caliber single shot rifle, consider getting a Lee Shaver or Dave Crossno barrel liner. Check Buffalo Arms. They convert your rifle/sight package to .22 LR. Will work in Sharps, Rolling Blocks, Highwalls, H & R Handi Rifles, etc. Either are extremely accurate and an inexpensive way to get into .22 silhouette. I used a Crossno in my 45-90 Highwall before I got my CPA 44 1/2. Same here. Once I got the CPA I never looked back. Gave the liner to another cowboy. I have 4 barrels for my CPA now!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I have a Remington Rolling Block in .22 Short. It's a very nice pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 You need to find out if it a sanctioned match and if so what the rules are for the rifles and sights allowed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 All the target peep sights from 40+ years ago have elevation and windage clicks marked. Just gotta know how to run them. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nostrum Damus SASS #110702 Posted December 22, 2021 Author Share Posted December 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Cowtown Scout, SASS #53540 L said: You need to find out if it a sanctioned match and if so what the rules are for the rifles and sights allowed. My club let's us use anything from rocks in slingshots to M101A1 howitzers. It's all about having fun. But BPCRA-sanctioned matches, no. That's ok. 4 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: All the target peep sights from 40+ years ago have elevation and windage clicks marked. Just gotta know how to run them. good luck, GJ practice practice practice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blarney Kid Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 If you can find one, Chiappa makes what's called a "Little Sharps" chambered in .22lr up to 38-55. It was originally built by Little Sharps Arms in Big Sandy, MT. It's a scaled down Sharps falling block action. Several years back a shooter at the Quigley match was shooting one in .22 at the 400+ yd. target and hitting regularly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted December 25, 2021 Share Posted December 25, 2021 1 hour ago, The Blarney Kid said: If you can find one, Chiappa makes what's called a "Little Sharps" chambered in .22lr up to 38-55. It was originally built by Little Sharps Arms in Big Sandy, MT. It's a scaled down Sharps falling block action. Several years back a shooter at the Quigley match was shooting one in .22 at the 400+ yd. target and hitting regularly. Randy, I found this Chiappa .22 w/3x Malcolm scope earlier this year down in your area - Ennis. It was also marketed by Lyman as the Ideal Model. The Chiappa version has no relationship at all to the defunct Big Sandy Little Sharps company. Aaron and Ron sold the business to Dakota Arms, and they discontinued it. I have a shirttail familial relationship to Aaron - his brother Bill was married to one of my mother's sisters. The only Big Sandy Sharps I've ever actually seen is the .38-55 Rusty Lawman and Montana Rox have. If you ever find one for sale, count on $3k or more. My Chiappa compared to one of my full-size 1874's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 The Lyman tang peep sights have no markings. The receiver sights, illegal, do have markings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted December 26, 2021 Share Posted December 26, 2021 Once you find one the next challenge will be finding out which ammo it will shoot accurately. Once you figure it out buy all you can get your hands on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted February 28, 2022 Share Posted February 28, 2022 As a price confirmation - the only Big Sandy/Dakota Little Sharps I've seen for sale in several years is on GB right now for $3200... but it's a .17 HMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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