Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: It's not a bill. It's a law. Emperor Newsom signed it October 19. Really? This 1346? Bill? So sad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 Assembly Bill 1346 would compel the California Air Resources Board to adopt regulations by July 1, 2022, to prohibit emissions from all small off-road engine engines (SORE) including portable generators. While it may be intended to promote the use of battery-operated lawn and garden equipment, it will also result in banning the sale of portable generators in the state as soon as 2024. 43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Assembly Bill 1346 would compel the California Air Resources Board to adopt regulations by July 1, 2022, to prohibit emissions from all small off-road engine engines (SORE) including portable generators. While it may be intended to promote the use of battery-operated lawn and garden equipment, it will also result in banning the sale of portable generators in the state as soon as 2024. 43018.11. (a) (1) By July 1, 2022, the state board shall, consistent with federal law, adopt cost-effective and technologically feasible regulations to prohibit engine exhaust and evaporative emissions from new small off-road engines, as defined by the state board. Those regulations shall apply to engines produced on or after January 1, 2024, or as soon as the state board determines is feasible, whichever is later. Quote Assembly Bill No. 1346 CHAPTER 753 An act to add Section 43018.11 to the Health and Safety Code, relating to air pollution. [ Approved by Governor October 09, 2021. Filed with Secretary of State October 09, 2021. ] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=202120220AB1346 That is odd...because the article I saw is talking about this being 'looked at' Dec 5, 2021... Oh well...polotics in play. Sad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 2 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said: All the more reason for me to drop California rom my touring list. I wonder when they will start on the airline industries and all the dirty pollutants those nasty 747s pur out when they fly out of LAX????? CARB nor the airports can regulate aircraft emissions. That is the perview of uncle sugar. They do regulate ground engine powered equipment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.D. Daily Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 6 hours ago, Willy B.SASS#26902 said: The California air resource board is requiring all the Sport fishing boats to upgrade their engines to a new low polluting model unfortunately those engines have yet to be invented, Their temporary solution is to have the boats equipped with diesel particulate filters which the Coast Guard says no way in hell to on passenger vessels. And the craziness goes on. A retrofit DPF for marine engines under 1000HP continuous is unobtainium. The problem with sport fishing boats is they run under 30% load for long periods of time. At this load the engine exhaust means that the exhaust temperature is too low for the particulate to burn so it fills up the filter & requires regeneration. If the DPF is part of the engine from the mfg. they incorporate a regeneration system. Smaller engines spray fuel into the exhaust after the turbo(s) which burns in the O2 rich diesel engine exhaust. This raises the exhaust temp to >700F. which is the particulate combustion temp when in contact with rare earth catalysts. No retrofit DPF uses this regeneration system because the control must be integrated with the Engine Control Module. The only retrofit DPF that will will work with a non generator drive engine requires electricity to regenerate. The added load in a sport or commercial fishing application would mean the vessel's auxiliary generators would have to be replaced with bigger ones. The space may not be available. P.S. 1. The DPF that regenerates electrically is very expensive and large. Many times larger than the exhaust silencer it would replace. 2. All commercial vessels that carry passengers for hire require Coast Guard inspection & licensing. As Willy said they won't accept anything that reduces the reliability of the vessel. CARB can only require that the vessel be repowered after it's useful life unless CARB pay the owner to repower. They did this in the 2000's. Currently there aren't any marine engines in the HP class that sport fishing boats use. Besides there isn't enough room to install the exhaust aftertreatment in existing sport fishing vessels. They'd have to be installed above the deck which would adversely affect the vessels stability. A marine architect would have to do stability calculations to submit to the Coast Guard for approval. Most likely the owners would do what contractors & equipment rental businesses do. They sell the equipment that no longer meets CARB's fleet age rules to out of state or foreign used equipment dealers & brokers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 17 hours ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Hmmm....does California ALREADY have problems generating the power they need? How do they propose to enhance tje power grid to take on the extra load bar? There you go using common sense again! Talk about being unfair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 @Singin' Sue 71615 s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 @Singin' Sue 71615said California at it...again? Sue, CA never stopped. They are always at it. It's perpetual stupidity and shenanigans...Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 23 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: @Singin' Sue 71615 s Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MizPete Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 I cannot EVEN...... I sit here on Pearl Harbor day thinking this ain't what my Dad signed up for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 7, 2021 Author Share Posted December 7, 2021 38 minutes ago, MizPete said: I cannot EVEN...... I sit here on Pearl Harbor day thinking this ain't what my Dad signed up for. You are so right.... Not what our Fathers or Father's Fathers fought for. Nor what Shanley served for. Nor what our Son recently fought for. But yet, freedom of choice is... Somewhere the wrong lesson took over, and here we stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dan Dawkins Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 3:44 PM, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said: ..... just a thought, if/when they ban these machines there will be less petrol sold thus reducing the amount of fuel tax for "consolidated revenue", ........ I wonder how they will compensate for this shortfall ? Just tax something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said: Just tax something else and increase them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 I wish I could say what the idiots in the California political system do, to ban things, is something I could not care less about, but you know...that kind of cancer has a way of spreading, and today's ignorant generation may well fall for that stupidity. As I have said before...."the eternal choice of mortal man...to endure oppression...or to resist". I hope I live to see the day when the people of California have had enough of socialism/marxism/leftist thinking/dictatorships/high taxes, stupid ineffective laws, and vote the trash out, and put in some common-sense folks. One way is to run for office yourself, and effect change from the inside out. Get involved in your local races, and start at the foundation. The choice is yours. Get involved, run for office yourself...or...endure it, or leave the state. It looks like not enough people have gotten mad enough, yet. It is possible that they have enough graft money to pay off enough folks to keep them in power???? I wonder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 hours ago, Waxahachie Kid #17017 L said: One way is to run for office yourself, and effect change from the inside out. Get involved in your local races, and start at the foundation. The choice is yours. Get involved, run for office yourself...or...endure it, or leave the state. It looks like not enough people have gotten mad enough, yet. It is possible that they have enough graft money to pay off enough folks to keep them in power???? I wonder. If it wasn't so late and if I wasn't so tired, I could ramble on at length about this. Simply put, though, outside of a few isolated areas a "normal" thinking person running for office would have about the same chance as a rabbit in a dog pound. You would be verbally attacked, ridiculed, out-spent, have sings and campaign assets vandalized, and possibly worse. Here's one example of "dirty tricks" (there are more): The "D" party has a track record of identifying and surreptitiously funding the campaigns for weaker "R" candidates in primaries, thus eliminating stronger opposing candidates in the elections. Or how about the "gorilla" primary system - only the top two primary candidates make the final ballot, regardless of party. Voter registration is approximately D = 46.5%, R = 24.1%, and "No Party Preference" = 23.3%, with the remainder scattered among minor "parties." In recent times, typically we'll see two D's on the ballot for Senator (or other offices) - despite decent R candidates who could not get enough votes in the primary. There's more. LOTS more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Tale Todd Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 *Aggressively Shouted at full volume* CALIFORNIA IS A WORLD LEADER!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 No one said it would be easy, or without problems. Nothing worthwhile is. Once anyone starts giving up, then things move toward the impossible. All I hear are complaints, and reasons/excuses as to why things are not done, or changed. A "world leader"? Perhaps in some things. Other things, not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 12 hours ago, Waxahachie Kid #17017 L said: It looks like not enough people have gotten mad enough, yet. It is possible that they have enough graft money to pay off enough folks to keep them in power???? I wonder. Too many people have bought into the idea that the government is supposed to take care of us and that they can vote themselves bread and circuses forever. Until that mindset changes nothing in CA will change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El CupAJoe Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 On 12/6/2021 at 4:40 PM, Badlands Bob #61228 said: There will be whaling and all sorts of crying but they did it to themselves. Californians discovering new Renewable resources... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 To maintain the proper respect in the Saloon (ACS), please do not capitalize california (ncca)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 42 minutes ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said: To maintain the proper respect in the Saloon (ACS), please do not capitalize california (ncca)! But... sometimes it truly is proper to capitalize "california." Like when it's the first word in a sentence. Missus Eiren, my seventh-grade English teacher, would require it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: But... sometimes it truly is proper to capitalize "california." Like when it's the first word in a sentence. Missus Eiren, my seventh-grade English teacher, would require it. Rules are meant to be broken, e.g. california no longer deserves to be capitalized and is now sentenced to lower case hell! (BTW - I lived and worked in ca for 43 years! I experienced its fall!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 3 hours ago, Waxahachie Kid #17017 L said: No one said it would be easy, or without problems. Nothing worthwhile is. Once anyone starts giving up, then things move toward the impossible. All I hear are complaints, and reasons/excuses as to why things are not done, or changed. A "world leader"? Perhaps in some things. Other things, not at all. Well, Wax, ever heard of the Alamo...? Y'all are more than welcome to come on out and join the fight. Or show us the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracos Kid Posted December 8, 2021 Share Posted December 8, 2021 Guess Cali has more important things to think about also...... California plans to be abortion sanctuary if Roe overturned (ajc.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracos Kid Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 I feel sorry for the good folks who are in California....(My wife's nephew and his family just moved from Pasadena to Denver with his job.).... What will those in Cali now do with all the foods that are to be recycled?? Mandatory food recycling to begin in California (yahoo.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 9, 2021 Author Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Gracos Kid said: I feel sorry for the good folks who are in California....(My wife's nephew and his family just moved from Pasadena to Denver with his job.).... What will those in Cali now do with all the foods that are to be recycled?? Mandatory food recycling to begin in California (yahoo.com) So....backyard mulch piles won't put out the same from yards as in landfills??? Hmmm..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Senate Bill 1383. It's restaurants and supermarkets and such that are targeted to "recycle" edibles. The rest of us are supposed to separate all biologic waste. I attended a county Board of Ssupervisor's meeting a few months ago to speak my mind on this nonsense... didn't get a chance. The board meeting hall was PACKED. And, the Supervisors said that they've been fighting this since well before it was passed - it's barely workable for densely populated cities, and and absurd requirement for small towns and rural areas, which comprise 90% of the state's land area. The costs of compliance have been calculated, and for us it would bring about roughly a $100+ increase in our monthly trash collection costs, or over $1,200 a year per household to make some sniveling asphalt-licking politicians happy. By the way... Gov Moonbeam signed this into law September 19, 2016. https://rethinkwaste.org/businesses/laws-ordinances/sb-1383-state-organics-law/ https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160SB1383 Tier One must comply with edible food recovery requirements by Jan. 1st, 2022. This includes: Supermarkets Grocery stores (with a total facility size ≥ 7,500 sq. ft.) Food service distributors Wholesale food markets Tier Two must comply with edible food recovery requirements by Jan. 1st, 2024. This includes: Restaurants (with ≥ 250 seats, or ≥ 5,000 sq. ft.) Hotels (with onsite food facility and ≥200 rooms), Health facilities (with onsite food facility and ≥100 beds), State agencies (with a cafeteria with ≥ 250 seats, or ≥ 5,000 sq. ft) Local education agencies (with an onsite food facility) Large venues Large events Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tall Tale Todd Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 A WORLD LEADER!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 19 minutes ago, Tall Tale Todd said: A WORLD LEADER!!!!! Well, his successor certainly thinks he is. Just frosts my flakes when I hear him refer to california as a "Nation State." Guess that just adds to his "Emperor" image. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: Well, his successor certainly thinks he is. Just frosts my flakes when I hear him refer to california as a "Nation State." Guess that just adds to his "Emperor" image. ncca!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 Polititions Only Have Power if you give it to Them . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said: ncca!!!!!!!!! What's "ncca?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted December 9, 2021 Share Posted December 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: What's "ncca?" never capitalize ca. Like ACS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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