Buckshot Bear Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Does the Dillon XL650 Roller Mod make a big difference? What did you notice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Dillon is making their ring indexers from a much less resilient material than they used in the past. Now, they appear to be cheaply squirted out of a 3-D printer using a more brittle plastic material. I've broken several over the past couple years. The roller mod has, I believe, extended their working life considerably. (Actually, I haven't broken a ring indexer since I installed my roller). Getting through to Dillon service techs on the phone isn't what it used to be either, and neither is their response time for many parts. So anything we can do to extend parts lifespan is worthwhile. I strongly recommend roller mods on both the ring indexer and the shell positioning cam. Keep them both well oiled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Buckshot Bear said: Does the Dillon XL650 Roller Mod make a big difference? What did you notice? No . Not a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Matthew Duncan said: No . Not a thing. Except maybe not having to lube it ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 It seems like it is a solution to a problem that I don't have. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Spade Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 After buying the pieces individually for my first 650 I bought the "Snowshooz" mod kits on ebay for my other 2, and I think they really smooth the machine out and perform valuable functions. The case feed shutoff and the primer shutoff work great. The main thing the roller bearings do is take the "jump" out of the machine so it doesn't jar the case and spill powder when it indexes. I also add the missed primer catch that has the little bottles that catch the primers. I am also very picky about keeping my machine very clean and lightly greased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Runamuck, SASS #49216L Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I could tell a “slight” difference to the better. Definitely not a night and day difference. Not having to lube it is a big plus for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 11 hours ago, Yusta B. said: Except maybe not having to lube it ....... Got to keep the bearing on the mod lubed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 I did the mods (all of them). On the roller indexer, I had to lengthen the slots to get the primer where I wanted in the shell plate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 10 hours ago, Matthew Duncan said: Got to keep the bearing on the mod lubed. Manufacturer lists it having a sealed bearing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 I put the Unique Tek roller mod ("ultimate bearing kit") on my xl 750 and if it's the same thing on the 650, it reduces shake of the shell plate as it indexes and the consequential spillage of powder. It cut down the loose powder on my shell plate by about 80%. I also got the primer feed tube brass ends (replaces the plastic Dillon ends) and they have been flawless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 8, 2021 Author Share Posted November 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ripsaw said: I put the Unique Tek roller mod ("ultimate bearing kit") on my xl 750 and if it's the same thing on the 650, it reduces shake of the shell plate as it indexes and the consequential spillage of powder. It cut down the loose powder on my shell plate by about 80%. I also got the primer feed tube brass ends (replaces the plastic Dillon ends) and they have been flawless. I'd like to get those brass ends, my yellow ones won't hold back more than 30-40 primers now they are so worn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Spade Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 7 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said: I'd like to get those brass ends, my yellow ones won't hold back more than 30-40 primers now they are so worn. Dillon will replace those for free. Last time I ordered some they sent me all new tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 Best 650/750 mod you can do is buy a 1050/1100. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ripsaw Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 8 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said: I'd like to get those brass ends, my yellow ones won't hold back more than 30-40 primers now they are so worn. Are you referring to the primer pick up tubes? those are easily replaceable. I was referring to the red (or is it blue?) ends on the primer feed tube in the press. That's where the brass ends fit. I got one each for the small and large primer feed tubes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 19 hours ago, Yusta B. said: Manufacturer lists it having a sealed bearing. Sealed bearings last until they dry out and seize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 This is new for me and a good mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 And a primer stop switch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 8 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said: And a primer stop switch That's a great Lil addition. Just remember to have it in the "on" position when you start your reloading session. Just sayin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 40 minutes ago, Hendo said: That's a great Lil addition. Just remember to have it in the "on" position when you start your reloading session. Just sayin. Well ain't y'all feeling the primer seat on the end of the up stroke anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 19 hours ago, Matthew Duncan said: Sealed bearings last until they dry out and seize. I'll be dead by then & won't care ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Matthew Duncan said: Well ain't y'all feeling the primer seat on the end of the up stroke anyway? Yanno, one would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 That plastic case ejector is so much better than the pesky wire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 59 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: That plastic case ejector is so much better than the pesky wire. Is it? I thought the wire thing works pretty good. What's the plastic one do differently? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 9, 2021 Author Share Posted November 9, 2021 26 minutes ago, Hendo said: Is it? I thought the wire thing works pretty good. What's the plastic one do differently? I got hangups now and again with the wire + it has the tendency to pop out ever since I put the needle bearing on as it decreased how much of the wire went into the hole. Before I could only have one washer out of the needle bearing kit installed, now I can have both washers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 3 minutes ago, Buckshot Bear said: I got hangups now and again with the wire + it has the tendency to pop out ever since I put the needle bearing on as it decreased how much of the wire went into the hole. Before I could only have one washer out of the needle bearing kit installed, now I can have both washers. Ah, gotcha. I went the bronze sintered bushing route on mine. The spring drops right over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bear Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Hendo said: Ah, gotcha. I went the bronze sintered bushing route on mine. The spring drops right over it. I still get powder spillage loading 9mm, over the years I've got very adept and quick at placing two fingers over the two cases that have powder in them before advancing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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