Bison Bud Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I cut my 28" Baikal field gun to 24" primarily to get rid of the two different chokes and I have never had any problems handling the gun around props. etc. I also have a 28" Miroku SXS that I just couldn't bring myself to cut and I have no problems handling it around props either. Frankly, I think the whole shorter is faster thing is more than a bit overstated! It's more about what you get used to using than how short a barrel you use. However, folks do seem to expect the 20" barrel on a "Coach Gun," but I'd bet more Cowpokes had longer barreled shotguns for multi-purpose use than these specific use guns. Good luck and good shooting to all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo Montana Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 20 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: I'm just wondering what length barrel side by side y'all use. I'm going to do some skb barrel testing this weekend. 22" on all my SKB's for CAS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Bingo Montana said: 22" on all my SKB's for CAS. This one. That length just seems to open easier. And, I can't hit a popper with a shorter barrel shotgun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Stevens SASS#55996 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 18.25” for my SKB 100’s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 14 hours ago, Lucky Lead Pepper said: No wonder I can’t find an SKB… I have noticed everyone on this thread has "SKBs" ... sell some will ya 14 hours ago, Lucky Lead Pepper said: No wonder I can’t find an SKB… I have noticed everyone on this thread has "SKBs" ... sell some will ya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackrabbit Joe #414 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 Two SKB's 100's One 20" and 18 1/2" JRJ & SP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Ranger Dan said: I have noticed everyone on this thread has "SKBs" ... sell some will ya I have noticed everyone on this thread has "SKBs" ... sell some will ya I might sell one if I ever found anything better. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 30, 2021 Share Posted October 30, 2021 I have two Parkers. 1 is 30" F/F and the other is 18" no chokes. I rarely use the 18" one. I also have a Fox Sterlingworth with 32" barrels. I like long barrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 Thanks everybody for the replies. I'll let yall know what I come up with right or wrong tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 Preliminary results just from 6 shot average each barrel length sg shouldered. 22" baseline 20" -.13 18" -.47 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 More than I would have expected.. Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 7 minutes ago, Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 said: More than I would have expected.. Randy Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Sheridan Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 Operator headspace? Run the same tests a few times with someone handing you each configuration at random. If you don’t know exactly which one you’re running at any given point I bet the difference shrinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Buckshot Sheridan said: Operator headspace? Run the same tests a few times with someone handing you each configuration at random. If you don’t know exactly which one you’re running at any given point I bet the difference shrinks. Doubt it. I was rooting for the 20". It "feels" best to me. Someone secretly handing me one won't work. I can tell which one is in my hand by the weight and balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, Tennessee williams said: Preliminary results just from 6 shot average each barrel length sg shouldered. 22" baseline 20" -.13 18" -.47 Don’t surprise me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 But you didn't try longer barrels? Aw.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted October 31, 2021 Author Share Posted October 31, 2021 12 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: But you didn't try longer barrels? Aw.... Wouldn't have been a good comparison. Only long barrel doubles I have aren't set up the same. I've got an old AH Fox, an Ithaca, and a few old Belgium doubles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 First, let me say that I think everyone should shoot what they like. Some shooters like longer barrel guns for the balance, the originality, or just plain fun and that’s great. But, the game has become close and fast and for our use I believe lighter and faster handling guns are what a lot of top shooters are gravitating too. Now a guy like Deuce could probably beat 99% of us with full length stock guns, but you can bet he’s done his homework on what works fastest for him because the Cowboys/Cowgirls at his level know matches are won or lost by hundredths of seconds on a stage. So when he states he uses a barrel length of 18 1/4”, you can bet he has a good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Rings SASS # 27466 Posted October 31, 2021 Share Posted October 31, 2021 I had thought 14" might be good, but it just doesn't balance well for me. I would like to try 16" but that's against the rules. I am using 20" ever since I got my TTN because that is what it came with. I have use a couple of 18 1/8" guns and I liked that length. Since I am usually in the bottom 10 percent, following my advice is questionable. Shoot what you want and have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Gatlin, SASS 10274L Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 My main match Stoeger has 18.2" barrels - measured with many different measuring devices in case one sheriff's tape measure is shorter than another's GG ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 On 10/31/2021 at 12:43 PM, Tennessee williams said: Preliminary results just from 6 shot average each barrel length sg shouldered. 22" baseline 20" -.13 18" -.47 To clarify, the 22" was your baseline.. From dismount, shuck, load, back to shoulder & fire? The 20" was 0.13/sec faster & the 18" was 0.47/sec faster? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Griff said: To clarify, the 22" was your baseline.. From dismount, shuck, load, back to shoulder & fire? The 20" was 0.13/sec faster & the 18" was 0.47/sec faster? Starting position was sg on shoulder hands not touching shells. Starting from delayed beep on timer. Yes for 6 shots, averaged. I also did the same test using a different shucking method that looked and felt faster. It was not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 I still think for our monthly matches you should just forget the timer and go with your AH Fox, you’ll be faster, trust me Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 Like you, I sometimes try different shuck/loads methods but being in game so long I realize to be better than what I have used so long would take lots of work to improve, especially at my age. When Sassy started shooting in SASS just after we married in 2015, I showed her how I would do it if starting over, and probably your method, she took to it well. But, she was learning so she worked right into it. My old method of looking down at chambers, butt off shoulder, and shucking with muzzle in upward motion. (I call it the "Island Girl" style because I think she is one of the ones I saw in early years that was very efficient at it.) If I can run 4n4 or 6N6 I consider it fine enough to satisfy me and win on occasions. Your times seem very good and I assume you are saying that, for example, 6 in 6.47 with 22, 6.34 with 20 and 6.00 with 18". Again, an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 55 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said: Starting position was sg on shoulder hands not touching shells. Starting from delayed beep on timer. Yes for 6 shots, averaged. I also did the same test using a different shucking method that looked and felt faster. It was not. Makes me wonder if there's also any difference in starting in a staged position to at least the 1st shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 30 minutes ago, Griff said: Makes me wonder if there's also any difference in starting in a staged position to at least the 1st shot. I would say you're correct. I didn't want to skew my shot string in case of a bad grab. If I get home with any daylight this week I'll time some groups and average to the first shot for each. I'm one of probably not many that practice picking my guns up. After all....you can't do anything with any of them until you pick them up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said: I would say you're correct. I didn't want to skew my shot string in case of a bad grab. If I get home with any daylight this week I'll time some groups and average to the first shot for each. I'm one of probably not many that practice picking my guns up. After all....you can't do anything with any of them until you pick them up. I'll wager the winner's circle is FULL of folks that practice picking their guns up... after-all it is a transition! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gateway Kid SASS# 70038 Life Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 17 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said: I would say you're correct. I didn't want to skew my shot string in case of a bad grab. If I get home with any daylight this week I'll time some groups and average to the first shot for each. I'm one of probably not many that practice picking my guns up. After all....you can't do anything with any of them until you pick them up. Around here you would fit right in. Normally start with something other than SG so moving to it and bringing it into play is crucial. Kind of unusual to start with SG in hands. I practice moving to the left and right to get SG as well as moving to left or right when done. Have fun Gateway Kid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tennessee williams Posted November 1, 2021 Author Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: Like you, I sometimes try different shuck/loads methods but being in game so long I realize to be better than what I have used so long would take lots of work to improve, especially at my age. When Sassy started shooting in SASS just after we married in 2015, I showed her how I would do it if starting over, and probably your method, she took to it well. But, she was learning so she worked right into it. My old method of looking down at chambers, butt off shoulder, and shucking with muzzle in upward motion. (I call it the "Island Girl" style because I think she is one of the ones I saw in early years that was very efficient at it.) If I can run 4n4 or 6N6 I consider it fine enough to satisfy me and win on occasions. Your times seem very good and I assume you are saying that, for example, 6 in 6.47 with 22, 6.34 with 20 and 6.00 with 18". Again, an example. Yessir, those are pretty close times. The 18" was consistently under 6. Lot of difference shooting in the back yard vs in a match too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 We use these. Some more than others. 18" LC Smith SxS 20" Stoeger Coach SxS 20" Win 1897 Pump 23" Win 24 SxS 24" Win 1897 TD Pump 26" Stoeger Uplander 26" Browning BSS SxS 30" Stevens 311D SxS All are 12 gauges. I like the Brownie the best. I'm going to make it 22" or 24" just for fitting the main match gun case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted November 1, 2021 Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Griff said: I'll wager the winner's circle is FULL of folks that practice picking their guns up... after-all it is a transition! and, in my travels I have sure seen some different speed shotgun starts, especially in last two years. From hands and shotgun on table, start timer of unknown default time before putting hands on table, one hand on timer, one hand on timer and one on shotgun or option of one hand on shells and one on timer, etc. I, too, like to practice the different starts that I experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 58 minutes ago, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: I, too, like to practice the different starts that I experience. I can tell, practice has results! And lack of practice also has results... I suspect I'm the poster boy for not practicing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 On 10/31/2021 at 1:43 PM, Tennessee williams said: Preliminary results just from 6 shot average each barrel length sg shouldered. 22" baseline 20" -.13 18" -.47 When you finish up all your testing, sell me one of those you decide not to use..... As a side note for those interested, TN is also looking at BEEP to 1st shot, his split times, and also checking out his 'pick up' times. 'Pick Up' times are his times back to the belt and load/1st shot of his next pair. He's putting in some serious practice. He's also recruited a top notch 'instructor' to help him in his efforts..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 I have always preferred barrels at the legal limit. Really like 18 inches. Then I started shooting a couple of higher end Hammer Doubles. One has 20 inch barrels and the other has 22inch barrels. Elected to leave them alone and really like both. Regardless of length, shoot whatever your most comfortable with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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