Throckmorton,23149 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 visually it's a fat looking 45 colt case EXCEPT no extractor groove, it looks to take small primer...I didn't want to actually seat it, but diameter is right. the main body is tapered, skinnier on top by .030 or so . A .452 bullet fits just right,in the case mouth. The headstamp looks like gibberish...maybe a pattern of some sort. ? Just curious what I found lurking, I have no recollection of where it came from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 It looks to be a tad sort for a .45 Colt. How does it measure compared to a 45 Schofield ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throckmorton,23149 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 per google all dimensions wrong for schoefield. It's a good 1/8" shorter than a Colt,no extractor groove, rim is several thou. wider than Colt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.K. Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 .45 auto rim ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 That is too long for a .45 Auto rimmed. They are about the same length as .45 ACP. Can you give dimensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 If it's a small primer, it may be one of the high perf cartridges like a .454 Casull which use a small rifle primer, if I recollect rightly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Throckmorton,23149 Posted October 15, 2021 Author Share Posted October 15, 2021 oal 1.180, rim dia. 605..case mouth .452... case dia. at base, .544, case dia near mouth, .511 basically it looks like a short ,slightly fatter....thicker brass ?? 45 colt with a bit wider rim taking spp primers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Most likely a 45 long colt balloon case. They weren't rebated for extractors. If it's short enough it could be a S&W 45, as in Schofield. However I think they were mostly bennet primed, (internal primer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 The one on the left is the balloon case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palouse Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Throckmorton,23149 said: oal 1.180, rim dia. 605..case mouth .452... case dia. at base, .544, case dia near mouth, .511 basically it looks like a short ,slightly fatter....thicker brass ?? 45 colt with a bit wider rim taking spp primers What is the red goop in the primer pocket and on the rim where the extractor groove should be? No cartridge I know uses 0.030" thick brass at neck. That is not a "design" on head, it is brass spall over concentric-circle stamp/forming marks, (not milling/turning marks). Cut-down rifle case? Maybe. However, while hard to see the mouth appears at some point had a very heavy crimp. NO cartridge comes close to matching that head and at-mouth diameter and length, so what die could have done the crimp? Hard to see, case appears to have heavy black powder fouling. My guess: ordinance electric or percussion primer, or artillery fuse igniter. The .452" inside mouth diameter is pure coincidence, or someone tweeked brass after being fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 8 hours ago, Mustang Gregg said: If it's a small primer, it may be one of the high perf cartridges like a .454 Casull which use a small rifle primer, if I recollect rightly. .454 Casull case is longer than .45 Colt. The case in the OP's picture is not .454 Casull. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 I am betting my WAG on the .45 Government. Produced to provide comparable ammunition for both .45 Colt SAAs and .45 Schofield for the military (and civilian) when the military found logistics problems and field problems when the .45 Colt and .45 Schofield were found to be incompatible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major E A Sterner #12916 Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 Possibly a foreign caliber? Check some of the ammo from Great Britain or possibly one of the European calibers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 10 hours ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: .454 Casull case is longer than .45 Colt. The case in the OP's picture is not .454 Casull. OLG He hadn't given the dimensions yet when I answered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted October 15, 2021 Share Posted October 15, 2021 https://www.leverguns.com/articles/taylor/45_short_colt.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 Maybe someone is good with a lathe... Love the Headstamp! Phantom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caladisi kid Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 My 2 bits: From the measurements given I would guess that it is an obsolete 8mm Lebel round cut down. The primer pocket looks to have been swaged to hold the primer in. WW1 machine guns, such as the Vickers, used the Lebel rounds. I could not match up any other rounds to fit. It looks like the red stuff is in the primer pocket as well as the base next to the rim, possible dirt left from a dug up? I do love a mystery. CK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted October 16, 2021 Share Posted October 16, 2021 The thing I notice is the rim diameter as stated by the OP at .605. What other cartridge other than .45 government (.608) has a rim that big? I also don’t think we’re looking at head stamp. Looks more like a case that was spun against an abrasive surface without lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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