Stopsign32v Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=43-205C http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=43-215C https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/432/432-216-rf-z1/432-200-rf-2-cavity-pb-44-40/ At different times this will be powder coated, normal lubed, AND black powder lubed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 The John Kort clone of the origional 44-40 bullet … https://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=43-215C. Most sold of the Accurate 44-40 molds. … 173 https://www.accuratemolds.com/catalog.php?page=15#catalog-anchor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 Probably Accurate's 43-165CL, or 43-155S for an even lighter bullet. Ask for the bands on the bullet to be cut to 0.429" or even 0.430" in whatever alloy you expect to cast (not .427 which was the original groove diameter for .44 WCF). That will fit MOST guns made in the last 20 years. I'd specify "Wheelweight" alloy composition so you get a perfect diameter when using about Brinnell 9 hardness alloy. Round Nose Flat Point with a crimp groove is about the most common design for our matches, which both molds above will make. Lightest bullet possible usually will result in least recoil. Both have a large enough lube groove for .44 WCF in a revolver. You may want a 200 grain bullet for black powder loads in a toggle rifle, if the gun has blowback problems (but, with the thin case walls of .44 WCF, almost certainly you won't have a blowback issue). good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Sheridan Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 43-202R from Accurate I made a few changes to the 205C that would get the cartridge overall length out where I wanted it, and keep the larger grease groove of the 205C. The bullets as cast form the 202R are weighing 207gr using wheel weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stopsign32v Posted September 19, 2021 Author Share Posted September 19, 2021 I'm actually really looking at the 43-220C Original 42798 with a crimp groove. Seems like a great place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: Lightest bullet possible usually will result in least recoil. Years back, I picked up a flat of Winchester Feather Lite at Wally-World when they had $2/box coupon and put them in the cart. Sawmill Mary says, "What'cha buying'nem for?". I replied, "Suppose to have lighter recoil.". She says, "What's the fun in that?". She shot a few. Didn't like the smell of the burnt powder. Ended up selling them to Doc Hurd. Just triggered a memory. I use Lee 429-200-RF 6 cavity mold because it makes bullets fast. No lube on BlackMZ loads. Javalina on black powder loads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pee Wee #15785 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I like the bullets I buy from Springfield Slim http://www.whyteleatherworks.com You might ask him what mold he uses as they carry enough lub that shooting black I can get 200 rounds out of any of my .44-40 rifles before I have to run a wet patch down the barrel. I normally clean after each match, not running a patch down the barrel for the 50-60 rounds. Accuracy holds for a match. I shoot 24" or 26" barreled rifles. Pistols get by with a lot less lub! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 I use the 43 205M It holds the most lube with what I felt was the maximum amount of nose length for Uberti toggle action rifles. As it is they are almost too long for my Remington 1875 pistols, they are right on the edge of dragging on the frame. Seems Remingtons have much shorter cylinders than Colts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preacherman Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 +1 on the Lee mold. It casts great bullets fast with the 6 cavity. I size to .430 and they work great in 3 Ubertis a marlin and Rugers. Good castin'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 RCBS Bullet Mold Have been using it for 30 yrs. It is good for Black Powder or Smokless. SPG Bullet Lube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted September 19, 2021 Share Posted September 19, 2021 20 hours ago, Stopsign32v said: For 44-40 which mold would you choose and why? http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=43-205C http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=43-215C https://noebulletmolds.com/site/shop/432/432-216-rf-z1/432-200-rf-2-cavity-pb-44-40/ At different times this will be powder coated, normal lubed, AND black powder lubed! I chose the 43-214A for my Reloder 7 application. My purpose is for accuracy at longer distances "200 to 300 yards" as well as to retain velocity and energy. The 43-214A is also a replica of the 427098 with slight modifications to the o'give BUT does not have a crimp groove for low volume smokeless pistol powders. Works well with black powder general use. When using black powder loads for the same purpose, but for many shots without wiping, I use the 43-215C with a large lube groove. Works great for CAS with the large lube groove and has a crimp groove for those that desire smokeless powder loads. For CAS and smokeless powder, the 200gr "Magma" works great, which is the most popular commercial made hard cast bullet. The 43-205C works well and uses less lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I also use the Lee 429-200-RF, kind of. I pulled the pins, removed the sprue plate, chucked it in the ol' Jet lathe, and turned the bottom grease groove off so it casts a 165 grain bullet. I normally get the 165 grainer from Badman, but when it's not available, I can cast them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Coalhopper Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Worth taking a look at if you are thinking blackpowder with your 44-40: https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?265478-My-44-40-Black-Powder-Journey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailboss (Santa) Dave Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 I like the SAECO molds for casting For my 44mag, and sp. as well as my 44-40's I use mold # 444, a 200 gr. with a listed .428 die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savvy Jack Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 6 hours ago, Dusty Coalhopper said: Worth taking a look at if you are thinking blackpowder with your 44-40: https://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?265478-My-44-40-Black-Powder-Journey John was awesome....here are a few important topics he posted about the 44-40.https://sites.google.com/view/44winchester/chasing-the-44-40/contributors/john-kort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted September 20, 2021 Share Posted September 20, 2021 Thanks for the link Jack … . Most SASS members are not familiar with John’s history reviews and his calibers knowledge but he was a close buddy and our shooting work at Ridgway will be held close to me for many more years. It was a sad day when John passed away from brain cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preacher Clint Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 For BP, I'm still using my Big Lube Mav Dutchman six cavity mold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted September 23, 2021 Share Posted September 23, 2021 OK Stopsign, … what mold are you going to buy, why and distance the reload will be shot at? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
"Big Boston" Posted September 30, 2021 Share Posted September 30, 2021 I see the LEE 429-200-RF mentioned, and I too use and like this bullet. As mentioned, it casts a bunch of bullets fairly quickly, is not a fussy mold, (although I do like to "Tune" the mold before using). I shoot smokeless, usually TB, and find that it uses less lube than the Lyman 427666, which is also a pretty good bullet. I've tested it with only 1 groove with lube and it is still OK in a Vaquero. However, I just lube both, and use them in both handgun and rifle. LEE seems to be stuck on having their 44 cal molds cast no bigger than the label on the box says. I just bought a new 429-200-RF, I had to wait for my supplier to get in stock from LEE. It will cast a wee bit larger, and I size @ 430, and cull any that are small, (visible lube overflowing the lube grooves. I cast with COWW enriched with a bit of tin and lino for a BHN of almost 15. Here's the caveat, my groove diameters are around 430, on both my firearms, Size matters, some 44-40's need smaller bullets. I'm not sure how much sizing a 429-250-RF can take, my guess on mine would be 428 before they would look a bit squeezed. If I keep my temperature right, and my alloy proper(ish) my 427666 will cast around 429 and sizes (just barely) in a 430. It would size down to 426 or 427, IMO. The lube groove is a bit big for low pressure smokeless, and they give off a distinct puff of smoke on firing. As far as COL, my 429-250-RF is at 1.560". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 Howdy : I would Go with the NOE : 432-216-RF-21 4 Cavity PB , Brass Cast 4 at a time and room for SPG... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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