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'The fleet will be the first initiative of a newly formed trilateral security partnership called AUKUS.'

Australia, United Kingdom, United States

 

This is pretty big news down here in Oz.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-16/australia-nuclear-submarine-partnership-us-uk/100465814

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29 minutes ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said:

 ..... but they won't be allowed in New Zealand .... even if it IS the weekend of the rugby union  Grand Final .....   :mellow:

Why not?

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31 minutes ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said:

 ..... but they won't be allowed in New Zealand .... even if it IS the weekend of the rugby union  Grand Final .....   :mellow:

 

1 minute ago, DeaconKC said:

Why not?

 

NZ is rabidly anti Nucs. They do not allow any warship that is nuclear powered or carrying nuclear weapons to make port calls.

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Just now, Sedalia Dave said:

 

 

NZ is rabidly anti Nucs. They do not allow any warship that is nuclear powered or carrying nuclear weapons to make port calls.

Thank you!

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8 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

 

NZ is rabidly anti Nucs. They do not allow any warship that is nuclear powered or carrying nuclear weapons to make port calls.

Does that mean NZ would be against any military that has nuclear-powered warships or nuclear weapons coming to their defense?

 

Nah -- principles only go so far.

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During Carter’s Folly, or otherwise known as “The Iran Hostage Crisis” my ship sail d with the USS South Carolina CGN-37. I was aboard the USS Virginia CGN-38.

 

At the end of our assignment of cruising around in circles in the IO (Indian Ocean) and the Persian Gulf my ship was permitted a Liberty Call at the Island of Mauritius. The SoCar got to go to Australia! 
Man, we’re we pizzed!

Mauritius?! :blink:

Australia?! :D

 

Anyway, we were told that we couldn’t go because we were “a nuke ship”. Hence the “N” in the CGN designation. Nuclear powered guided missile cruiser. 
I remember telling the Chief “That’s Bull S***, Chief! The SoCar’s a Nuke!”

He then reminded me that there were other reasons that I can’t get into here. 
We pulled into Mauritius and I was promptly assigned to a work detail replenishing the US Embassy with food and supplies. 
Anyway, our Captain got promoted to Admiral a year later. So he got something out of it. 
 


 

 

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13 hours ago, Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 said:

It's good news. Oz may well need all of those subs (and they also have a good fleet of modern diesels) in the coming decades.

The Diesels will be refitted to last us until the Nuc boats come on line. We couldn't man both fleets.

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5 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

During Carter’s Folly, or otherwise known as “The Iran Hostage Crisis” my ship sail d with the USS South Carolina CGN-37. I was aboard the USS Virginia CGN-38.

 

At the end of our assignment of cruising around in circles in the IO (Indian Ocean) and the Persian Gulf my ship was permitted a Liberty Call at the Island of Mauritius. The SoCar got to go to Australia! 
Man, we’re we pizzed!

Mauritius?! :blink:

Australia?! :D

 

Anyway, we were told that we couldn’t go because we were “a nuke ship”. Hence the “N” in the CGN designation. Nuclear powered guided missile cruiser. 
I remember telling the Chief “That’s Bull S***, Chief! The SoCar’s a Nuke!”

He then reminded me that there were other reasons that I can’t get into here. 
We pulled into Mauritius and I was promptly assigned to a work detail replenishing the US Embassy with food and supplies. 
Anyway, our Captain got promoted to Admiral a year later. So he got something out of it. 
 


 

 

We dock your LA class attack boats and the odd aircraft carrier and escorts so I doubt you were carrying anything we haven't already had.

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Hmm.  Wonder if those will be strictly attack subs or if some will be SSBN's?  If so, where would they go to train and test fire their missiles?  How far is it from Oz to Kwajalein?  Air Force recently fired a Minuteman III from Vandy to Kwaj, with some type of warhead (non-nuke) to test something.  Maybe arming and fuzing equipment????  :ph34r:  Looks like China is building a bunch of "holes" for ICBM's.  World's gettin' dicey again.  Need Congress to get off the dime (billions) and authorize and appropriate funds for the Ground Based Strategic Detterant (GBSD) system to replace Minuteman III.

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21 hours ago, Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 said:

 ..... but they won't be allowed in New Zealand .... even if it IS the weekend of the rugby union  Grand Final .....   :mellow:

 

https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/military/jacinda-ardern-and-new-zealand-ban-any-future-australian-nuclear-submarine/news-story/1469e5e955678beaadbe60bea31fd935

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37 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

If Australia is relying on Uncle Joe you better start learning Chinese.

 

Nah, no problem got that all sorted....I'm fluent.

 

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2 Short Soups

2 Dims Sims

2 Spring Rolls

1 Mongolian Lamb

1 Sweet & Sour Pork

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57 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

If Australia is relying on Uncle Joe you better start learning Chinese.

 

Also, I read that this deal really ticked off the French!:o

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22 hours ago, Buckshot Bear said:

 

@Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Well its not a Wallaby......but its related :)

 

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Now we know how Australian gets all those weird animals.

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16 hours ago, Trailrider #896 said:

Hmm.  Wonder if those will be strictly attack subs or if some will be SSBN's?  If so, where would they go to train and test fire their missiles?  How far is it from Oz to Kwajalein?  Air Force recently fired a Minuteman III from Vandy to Kwaj, with some type of warhead (non-nuke) to test something.  Maybe arming and fuzing equipment????  :ph34r:  Looks like China is building a bunch of "holes" for ICBM's.  World's gettin' dicey again.  Need Congress to get off the dime (billions) and authorize and appropriate funds for the Ground Based Strategic Detterant (GBSD) system to replace Minuteman III.

 

It will be attack boats only and they won't be carrying any nuclear weapons.  Australia is not a nuclear power and the chances of that changing are very slim

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11 hours ago, Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L said:

 

Also, I read that this deal really ticked off the French!:o

 

5 hours ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said:

Why?  France wanted to sell the boats?

 

Australia had signed a multi-billion dollar contract with France for new diesel electric submarines.  With Australia switching to SSN's, that contract just down the toilet.  So yes, the French are pissed.  Oh well French military technology isn't quite as good as US/British tech.

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I made this one just for ya'll.

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5 hours ago, Chantry said:

 

It will be attack boats only and they won't be carrying any nuclear weapons.  Australia is not a nuclear power and the chances of that changing are very sli

We had nuclear weapons in Canada from 1964 to 1972.  RCAF Stations Chatham, NB, Bagotville, QC, Val d'Or, QC, Comox, BC were all air to air.  RCAF Stations Lamacaza, QC and North Bay, ON were both surface to air (BOMARC).  USAF Detachments were on all of these bases.  The reason that they were returned to the U.S.............political of course.

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9 hours ago, Chantry said:

 So yes, the French are pissed.  Oh well French military technology isn't quite as good as US/British tech.

 

The French subs are made with very high ceilings to accommodate them when they raise their hands in surrender. 

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10 hours ago, Chantry said:

 

 

Australia had signed a multi-billion dollar contract with France for new diesel electric submarines.  With Australia switching to SSN's, that contract just down the toilet.  So yes, the French are pissed.  Oh well French military technology isn't quite as good as US/British tech.

 

I think the real issue is that they will not be building them. Wonder if they'll be built in the US, UK, or in OZ.

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4 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

I think the real issue is that they will not be building them. Wonder if they'll be built in the US, UK, or in OZ.

 

From what I've read SD it will create employment for all 3 countries.

 

China is having a major tantrum over the announcement. 

 

They (Chinese) are also very p#ssed with this announcement -

 

US to send more planes, including bombers, to Australia under defence pact

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-09-17/us-raises-concerns-about-china-economic-coercion-of-australia/100469360

 

That will be alongside the US Marine Rotational Force that is based in Australia's Top End which keeps on growing.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Rotational_Force_–_Darwin

 

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On 9/18/2021 at 9:50 AM, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said:

Buckshot, Wallaby Jack, do Australians still remember or are taught about the bombing of Darwin?

 

@Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933

Absolutely, also the Japanese coming into Sydney Harbour in midget submarines and shelling the East Coast of Australia from the mother subs (our family residence in Sydney when I was young still had the mountings for the black out curtains on the windows).

My Grandfather was an RAAF Wing Commander in Darwin during the bombings and my father was an Australian Army Commando (Independant Company) in New Guinea and had his 21st birthday fighting the Japs in the Salamaua & Lae campaign alongside US forces not long after he'd fought in Wau.

 

Just a side note, my Grandfather was one of the last people to see Amelia Earhart alive, he fixed the radio in their Electra just before take off. He was interviewed multiple times in the 1970's by US authors writing books about Amelia Earhart and he's mentioned quite a lot in the Earhart history in most writings and discussions.

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43 minutes ago, Sedalia Dave said:

 

I think the real issue is that they will not be building them. Wonder if they'll be built in the US, UK, or in OZ.

Not sure.  I would have thought Electric Boat (owned by General Dynamics) was too busy building subs for the US, but there have been a bunch of radio ads saying EB is hiring welders recently

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This just poped up on one of the newsites.  Guess the French are really upset.

 

 

France recalls ambassadors to US and Australia in response to AUKUS nuclear submarine pact

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