Sedalia Dave Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Bacon may disappear in California as pig rules take effect At the beginning of next year, California will begin enforcing an animal welfare proposition approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 that requires more space for breeding pigs, egg-laying chickens and veal calves. National veal and egg producers are optimistic they can meet the new standards, but only 4% of hog operations now comply with the new rules. Unless the courts intervene or the state temporarily allows non-compliant meat to be sold in the state, California will lose almost all of its pork supply, much of which comes from Iowa, and pork producers will face higher costs to regain a key market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I thought bacon was one of those things “known to the State of California to be carcinogenic “ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 We're all doomed to becoming vegabelarians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I took melon rindes and bread hills up to the neighbor's pigs this morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Shapiro Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 It's worse than just bacon. This will apply to all pork meats. My smoker won't be able to run as much. This makes me sad. But it's just so in keeping with the idiocracy here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Doc Shapiro said: It's worse than just bacon. This will apply to all pork meats. My smoker won't be able to run as much. This makes me sad. But it's just so in keeping with the idiocracy here. Bacon. Chops. Roasts. Sausage. Hot dogs. Even pepperoni ~ there goes the pizza industry! And LOTS more, I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I think I will stop looking at threads regarding California. They are just blood pressure enhancement and I am to the point that I really don’t flippin’ care any more. My Independence Day is but 339 days away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joke 'um Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 How will legislation happen if representatives in Sacramento can't bring home pork? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I wonder how Iowa, et al, will deal with the loss of that much business? All those hogs that would otherwise go to CA will have to be absorbed by the other states... or slaughtered at a loss. CA continues to paint itself into a corner... the fools that vote for this crap have literally no idea about the implications of their vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 This is a perfect example of the failure of pure democracy voting. A majority here voting on a subject they did not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted August 1, 2021 Author Share Posted August 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, bgavin said: I wonder how Iowa, et al, will deal with the loss of that much business? All those hogs that would otherwise go to CA will have to be absorbed by the other states... or slaughtered at a loss. CA continues to paint itself into a corner... the fools that vote for this crap have literally no idea about the implications of their vote. It will cause the price paid to the farmer to fall even lower and put a lot of people out of work. The consumer will never see the price drop one cent as the middle man will pocket all the profits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: We're all doomed to becoming vegabelarians. "WE" my tired old butt. Send it over the border and we'll take all we can get. Just more proof that California has slipped so far out of control we'll NEVER get it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Bascomb, SASS # 47,494 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 These are the kinds of things that make ME want disaooear from California....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said: approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2018 Says it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Those voters in California will end up sitting in the dark, starving, waiting on the flames to consume them. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I think I will stop looking at threads regarding California. They are just blood pressure enhancement and I am to the point that I really don’t flippin’ care any more. My Independence Day is but 339 days away. I only lived there for a couple years in the late 80’s/early 90’s , and it felt so great the last time I drove out of that state Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I'm a little suspicious. Combined Hispanic and Asian population is about 54% of the state's population; pork is a significant part of both culture's diet. I suspect many voters did not understand the wording of Proposition 12... it's typical of the Attorney General's office to craft ballot measures so they are very, very unclear. There have been a number of propositions that were worded so that "No" literally meant "Yes." One infamous example was Proposition 47, which made many felonies misdemeanors, made property thefts of $950 or less basically a ticket-able offense, and released thousands of criminals from prison. This appeared on the ballot titled "The Safe Neighborhoods and Schools Act." No kiddin'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I wonder how California thinks it can regulate what happens in other states? If California tries to prohibit the movement of pork products across its borders that would seem to violate the Commerce Clause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Creek Law Dog Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I thought everything in California caused cancer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 48 minutes ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: I wonder how California thinks it can regulate what happens in other states? If California tries to prohibit the movement of pork products across its borders that would seem to violate the Commerce Clause. Read all about it... SCOTUS Declines to Hear Prop 12 Case "A new white paper released by the Food Equity Alliance last week said an expected 50% reduction in pork exported to California will create supply shortages and raise pork prices for consumers..." "According to the National Pork Producers Council, less than 1% of pork produced in the United States meets Proposition 12 requirements..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Just leaves more for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 2 hours ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: "A new white paper released by the Food Equity Alliance last week said an expected 50% reduction in pork exported to California will create supply shortages and raise pork prices for consumers..." Which would create a surplus elsewhere with reduced prices for a majority of Americans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 I wonder if I should plan to fedex bacon to pards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chantry Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 8 hours ago, Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 said: I wonder how California thinks it can regulate what happens in other states? If California tries to prohibit the movement of pork products across its borders that would seem to violate the Commerce Clause. CA can not force pork producers to comply with the new law, but any pork producer that does not comply with the law will be banned from selling their products in CA. It is just as legal as CA (and MA) requiring firearms to meet certain standards to be sold in their state. My guess is that the corporate pork producers will comply rather then lose the CA market, but the smaller independents won't comply and sell their products elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Irony would be if Chick-Fil-A started doing a booming business with a similar ad that includes pigs. Leftist ****bags hate Christian run businesses like Chick-Fil-A and In & Out Burger. Another thing, politicians hate it when their kind are harmed. Of course, pigs are so much better and so much more intelligent than most politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Well there's always turkey bacon for you Californians! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Just now, Rye Miles #13621 said: Well there's always turkey bacon for you Californians! If the turkeys were treated humanely )))). Otherwise you are back to the same problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 What would be the penalty for selling bacon on the black market? or using counterfeit documents that the pig died happy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984 said: What would be the penalty for selling bacon on the black market? or using counterfeit documents that the pig died happy? Isn’t that what’s happening in the marijuana industry in Ca and many other states ? They will have to hire the pork stasi to handle the new problems they have created Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 12 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: "WE" my tired old butt. Send it over the border and we'll take all we can get. Just more proof that California has slipped so far out of control we'll NEVER get it back. FR, Ask yourself this "Do we really want it back?" Or, is it damaged beyond repair. Pretty sure Mexico doesn't want it back........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Kit Cool Gun Garth Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domino Fats 109182 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 What a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, Father Kit Cool Gun Garth said: That will be about $80 sandwich soon in CA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 13 hours ago, bgavin said: I wonder how Iowa, et al, will deal with the loss of that much business? All those hogs that would otherwise go to CA will have to be absorbed by the other states... or slaughtered at a loss. CA continues to paint itself into a corner... the fools that vote for this crap have literally no idea about the implications of their vote. Pork prices will drop elsewhere in the country to absorb the temporary glut on the market. Speaking as somebody living almost 3000 miles away, I wouldn't mind the price of pork going down for a while. I feel sorry for the Californians stuck living under the windowlickers running their state, but their loss is my gain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 1, 2021 Share Posted August 1, 2021 ""Hog farmers said they haven’t complied because of the cost and because California hasn’t yet issued formal regulations on how the new standards will be administered and enforced." Which is typical of the CA burro-cracy. Wait until a week before implementation and then release the details. Of course, " The California Department of Food and Agriculture said that although the detailed regulations aren’t finished, the key rules about space have been known for years. “It is important to note that the law itself cannot be changed by regulations and the law has been in place since the Farm Animal Confinement Proposition (Prop 12) passed by a wide margin in 2018,” the agency said in response to questions from the AP." Trying to place any blame for noncompliance on the people who don't have the details of what they need to do to comply. Not unlike the requirements of gun locks that hit us in '05. Nobody knew the details, even though gun makers, distributors, and retailers had been begging the CADOJ for a year to let them know the requirements. A week before the law went into effect the rules came out and guess what? Only ONE lock met State of California requirements. Made by a company that had family ties to one of the authors of the legislation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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