Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 As you can see the side plate screw is buggered up. I know the cause and I’m kicking myself for it so let’s move on from that please and offer up any advice on how I can get this thing apart. It’s a brand new Uberti and new screw is in the mail. I appreciate any help I can get. Billy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Impact screwdriver? I bought one for just that purpose, Allthough mine wasn’t quite that bad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Hoss said: Impact screwdriver? I bought one for just that purpose, Allthough mine wasn’t quite that bad! I bought an impact screwdriver but the bits are too big. Perhaps I can dremmel it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Mine holds standard bits. I put one of my wheeler bits in and it worked you might be able to drill it and use an easy out as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, Hoss said: Mine holds standard bits. I put one of my wheeler bits in and it worked you might be able to drill it and use an easy out as well It worked!!! Didn’t have to file it down much. Backed out easy. Thanks for your help billy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 You ain’t the first victim of Luigi the gorilla screw tightener at the Uberti factory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Go to Harbor freight and buy a small 1/4" drive impact wrench. Regular gs bits will work just fine. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 56 minutes ago, Hoss said: You ain’t the first victim of Luigi the gorilla screw tightener at the Uberti factory! Truer words were never spoken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 You really need some gunsmith size flat bits. If you can afford 'em, get the Brownells regular set and the thin-bit set. You will buy once and use them for a LONG time. Otherwise, we have some lists of specific Brownells magna-tip bits for particular western guns. Here's one from Pale Wolf Brunelle some time ago: Ruger Single Action 150-4 * 180-3 * 180-4 210-4 *Rossi 92 150-4 * 180-3 * 180-5 210-4 * 270-4 300-5 340-5* Duplicated in above two setsColt/clone SAA 340-3 300-3 270-3 210-3 180-3 1866/1873 180-4 210-3 240-3 240-4 340-4 340-6 butt Plate Marlin 1894 180-4 210-4 270-4 270-5 Marlin 336 300-4 270-3 200-3 180-4 180-3 120-3 Wait till you take out the lever and lifter springs, or the mag tube cap. No, on second thought, don't wait. They just get harder to remove the longer they stay in the gun and get rained on. Get into that mag tube and clean out any rust, grease, dirt. Then use a dry waxy oil to protect all that rust-prone area. Eezox or Boeshield T9 work there. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 You probably already know this, but I'll caution anyway. On a new Uberti '73, don't try to loosen the lever and lifter spring screws before removing the springs from their articulating points on the lever and lifter. They can be lifted off with a screwdriver. Once the springs are relaxed, there is a CHANCE that the screws can be turned without stripping them, depending who was working at the Uberti factory that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grass Range Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Drill it out with a reverse cutting drill bit. Sometimes this will bring the screw out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 12 hours ago, Hoss said: You ain’t the first victim of Luigi the gorilla screw tightener at the Uberti factory! There's more than on Luigi working there....the one at the end of the magazine tube screw tightening station is the mostest gorilliast of them all! Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 They're probably using some type of thread locker AND that steel is... well, not the strongest. Just bought a used '73 and most of the screws are buggered. New ones (hardened) on the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 There is a tool for removing the magazine cap. ivevreplaced mine with a cap that has a Allan wrench fitting instead of a slot. Malabo strongly suggest you open up the mag tube and clean it. First time I did mine it was a mess. Very rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 10 hours ago, Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 said: You really need some gunsmith size flat bits. If you can afford 'em, get the Brownells regular set and the thin-bit set. You will buy once and use them for a LONG time. Otherwise, we have some lists of specific Brownells magna-tip bits for particular western guns. Here's one from Pale Wolf Brunelle some time ago: Ruger Single Action 150-4 * 180-3 * 180-4 210-4 *Rossi 92 150-4 * 180-3 * 180-5 210-4 * 270-4 300-5 340-5* Duplicated in above two setsColt/clone SAA 340-3 300-3 270-3 210-3 180-3 1866/1873 180-4 210-3 240-3 240-4 340-4 340-6 butt Plate Marlin 1894 180-4 210-4 270-4 270-5 Marlin 336 300-4 270-3 200-3 180-4 180-3 120-3 Wait till you take out the lever and lifter springs, or the mag tube cap. No, on second thought, don't wait. They just get harder to remove the longer they stay in the gun and get rained on. Get into that mag tube and clean out any rust, grease, dirt. Then use a dry waxy oil to protect all that rust-prone area. Eezox or Boeshield T9 work there. good luck, GJ Solid advice! Thank you! And for the record I was using the proper bit from my kit and it bent thus causing the issue. That screw was on tight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: You probably already know this, but I'll caution anyway. On a new Uberti '73, don't try to loosen the lever and lifter spring screws before removing the springs from their articulating points on the lever and lifter. They can be lifted off with a screwdriver. Once the springs are relaxed, there is a CHANCE that the screws can be turned without stripping them, depending who was working at the Uberti factory that day. I did not know that. Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Use a dab of copper anti-seize on the screw threads OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Always remember that an engraver or Jeweler can clean up or recut a clean screw slot in a good quality screw very easily. But if the screw was of poor quality to begin with, that is another story. The new slot can be cut easily enough, but will likely re-strip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 Even with hardened screws and the correct screwdrivers those little bastages they use for the lifter springs kept stripping on me. After the third time I finally changed them out to hex headed screws and never regretted it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dusty Devil Dale Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Billy D Texan said: Solid advice! Thank you! And for the record I was using the proper bit from my kit and it bent thus causing the issue. That screw was on tight First thing I would do with a new Uberti firearm is spend the +- $20 for a good, American made complete replacement screw set. Brownell's, Taylor's and other vendors have them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: First thing I would do with a new Uberti firearm is spend the +- $20 for a good, American made complete replacement screw set. Brownell's, Taylor's and other vendors have them. First thing I would do is buy a nice set of Hollow Ground screwdrivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Billy D Texan said: I was using the proper bit from my kit and it bent thus causing the issue. And thus the need for a 1/4" bit hand impact driver. The Uberti factory installs fairly soft screws and uses high torques. That works well until the first disassembly has to be done. VTI carries complete sets of hardened screws. First thing I do when I get a new Italian made firearm and a new screw kit is disassemble completely, clean well, remove rust from mag tube (if it has one), deburr any rough spots, and THEN start to do any tuning work that I want to do. Then it's reassembled with proper lubrication and hard screws to moderate torques. Don't force a bit or screwdriver past it's limit of strength. Ruins both driver and screw head. It takes a few "lessons" like that to learn where the limits are. You can see the deformation of the screw slot just barely starting - that's when you stop and go to impact drivers or even more severe techniques to get the screws loose. The loosening of a tight screw needs as much force placed co-axial to the screw as you put on twisting the screw, to keep the tip fully engaged in the slot. So chuck the gun in a well padded, solid vise and put your upper body weight directly above the screw so you can push AND twist. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 2 hours ago, Dusty Devil Dale said: First thing I would do with a new Uberti firearm is spend the +- $20 for a good, American made complete replacement screw set. Brownell's, Taylor's and other vendors have them. I just went to Brownell's and then Taylors and could not find these screws listed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Frontier Lone Rider said: I just went to Brownell's and then Taylors and could not find these screws listed I did the same. Taylor’s did have a Uberti replacement screw set. But they are the factory screws Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 5 minutes ago, Billy D Texan said: I did the same. Taylor’s did have a Uberti replacement screw set. But they are the factory screws VTI list them for $65? I am not sure of the quality of their products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 BILLY D TEXAN - The reason the lever side spring screws are "jammed" is because the rear of the spring boss has not been ground to fit the radius of the frame, causing the spring to tilt as the screw is tightened, binding the screw. BEFORE reinstalling the springs and screws, re-shape the back of the spring so it will set flat. ALL - VTI GUNPARTS carries sets of hardened replacement screws. However, after the initial removal, without over tightening and with correct screwdrivers, hardened screws are not really needed. LONE RIDER - VTI carries excellent quality parts. Been doing business with VTI for 30 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy D Texan Posted July 30, 2021 Author Share Posted July 30, 2021 42 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: BILLY D TEXAN - The reason the lever side spring screws are "jammed" is because the rear of the spring boss has not been ground to fit the radius of the frame, causing the spring to tilt as the screw is tightened, binding the screw. BEFORE reinstalling the springs and screws, re-shape the back of the spring so it will set flat. ALL - VTI GUNPARTS carries sets of hardened replacement screws. However, after the initial removal, without over tightening and with correct screwdrivers, hardened screws are not really needed. LONE RIDER - VTI carries excellent quality parts. Been doing business with VTI for 30 years. Thank you sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted July 30, 2021 Share Posted July 30, 2021 The screws which are involved in disassembly for cleaning a toggle link gun are real nice to have in the hard versions. They get taken out and reinstalled so often, that factory-soft screws stay pristine only with a TON of extra care during routine maintenance. These would be: side plate screw lever screw lever and lifter spring screws trigger guard screws (2) tang screw butt plate screw (1, same screw used to attach lower tang to the stock as they attach butt plate to the stock) Most others are much less frequently removed. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted July 31, 2021 Share Posted July 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: First thing I would do is buy a nice set of Hollow Ground screwdrivers. im wit you - we all need a good set of tools to start with Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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