ShadowCatcher Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 FWIW I carried 1911 Gov't, Commander and Officers Models pistols for the better part of 30 years, then switched to the Browning Hi-Power, the Kahr K9, and finally the Glock G43. These changes were all a function of dealing with the weight of the gun and spare magazine(s). I can carry a 1911 and two magazines all day, but I feel it more now, whereas the polymer pistols are easier to carry. The issue for me in deciding which one to carry also involves which one points better, or requires constant readjusting to get a good fast on-target presentation. After 40 years of a 1911 it seems to point more naturally on target, where as the Glocks seem a bit low, and I have to make an effort to adjust. A few months of range time really helped with that. Now that I have a Swampfox Red Dot Sight on the 43 it is even more impressive a small package, and I feel much better about being able to make clean hostage-rescue shots to 20 yds. These old eyes were struggling anymore past 10 yds, using iron sights. If I was open carrying all the time I''d probably carry a 1911 all the time, or my new Beretta Compact 92x, but having to be discreet I find the G43 to be perfect, and with +2 mags the gun has 9 in it, and 8 more sitting ready. Recently I went through the whole Glock G48MOS, G19MOS vs Beretta 92x Compact trade evaluation: which one would I get for a winter gun. Not that I had to, just that I wanted to. I ended up going with the Beretta with an Ernest Langdon trigger kit, and I have to say that it is an easy gun to shoot accurately, and comfortably. Same envelope as the G19, a few ounces heavier, but much better feel in the hand. We are blessed with a large variety of very good handguns, from some of the best makers in the world, almost too many choices to make it easy to decide! Good luck with whatever choices you make, and stay safe. Shadow Catcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 2 hours ago, LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L said: The most fervent hope deep in the darkest recesses of every glockaholic's little diseased heart... No…it’s not. Glock is perfection. Well, to someone it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 3 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: No…it’s not. Glock is perfection. It is NOW! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: It is NOW! Look Man, just because you want a Glock 1911 don’t be putting’ that on everybody else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 27 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Look Man, just because you want a Glock 1911 don’t be putting’ that on everybody else. I've already got a 1911. This is just for the Glockaholics that want one, but don't want to admit it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: I've already got a 1911. This is just for the Glockaholics that want one, but don't want to admit it. Now you’re just fantisizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Now you’re just fantisizing. Just like the Glockaholics! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said: Just like the Glockaholics! We don’t need to fantasize. We have “perfection”. I just wish it looked hot in a bikini and could make those cute little umbrella drinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: We don’t need to fantasize. We have “perfection”. So you have a 1911 too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Steak Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 Once you add decent sights that don't break because the factory ones are cheap plastic, a much needed trigger job, some sort of grip treatment or sleeve to improve the ergonomics, an improved mag release button, OEM magazines that drop clear during rapid reloads with partially full magazines, a match grade barrel to replace to the factory polygonal rifling that fouls VERY quick with lead bullets, and you manage to get over the fact that using reloaded, remanufactured, or handloaded ammunition may void your warranty - you will find yourself in possession of a pistol that epitomizes the moniker of "Glock Perfection" Much better to rely on a heavy for its size weapon that only shoots ball ammo reliably unless you have a gunsmith slick up the feed ramp, that comes with factory sights that match the hundred year old technology of the firearm, 7 round magazines, that needs a gunsmith to fit the bushing and barrel link to get your shot groups to fit inside of a volley ball at 25 yards, that isn't really attractive as an EDC weapon unless you've paid well over a thousands bucks for it and wear loose fitting clothes to cover its massive girth... give me more of both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joke 'um Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 PG The Glock -vs- 1911 debate, if you must call it that, comes down to what you expect to get from your pistol. Perfection or an erection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 1 hour ago, Chuck Steak said: and you manage to get over the fact that using reloaded, remanufactured, or handloaded ammunition may void your warranty Every firearms manufacturer that I am aware of puts that in their owner's manual. What manufacturer do you know of that does not state using reloaded ammunition will void the warranty? I seriously would like to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallaby Jack, SASS #44062 Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 .......................................................... ..................................................... Maryanne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Hey Pards, There is a reason that EVERYTHING is compared to the 1911..... ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Personally I LOVE a 19. A smith and Wesson model 19 357magnum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Tennessee williams said: Personally I LOVE a 19. A smith and Wesson model 19 357magnum! Me too! Wonderful revolver. Truth be told, I am a better shot with my S&W revolvers than I am my Glocks or my previous 1911s. Accuracy beats more rounds in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 I read on some board or other where the man could not make up his mind whether to buy a 17 or a 19. And I thought to myself, "One is the 22 and the other is a 357. They are nothing alike, and they are used for totally different things. This statement makes no sense." And I realized he was speaking of Glocks. My mind does not go there. Many years ago I had read where the Highway Patrol had been issued Glock 22s. Seeing a pair of Patrolmen in a local diner, I stopped on my way out the door, and pointing to one of them's gun asked, "Is that a 22?" He looked at me like I was a total booger eating moron and replied, "No, it's a 40 Smith & Wesson". Ooookay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 So Glock just announced their new Glock 44, chambered in 22 rimfire. I figured now would be a good time to explain Glock and their models.... The Glock 44 is in 22. The Glock 22 is in 40. The Glock 40 is in 10 like the 20. There is no Glock 10, but there is a Glock in 9 aka the 17 and 19 and 26 and 43, not including the 48 - which came out before the 44 - and the 43X, which are the same except for the ways in which they’re different. Actually they’re like the 45, which is a 9, which is the same as a 19x which is actually more like the 17 than the 19. Strangely enough the 45 came before the 44, but 45 came before 9, but not 44, so maybe that’s the logic. If you wanted a 45, you need a 36, a 41, a 30, a 21, or a 21SF, or a 30S, or a 30SF. Of course if you want Glock’s 45 you need a 37, 38 or 39. The 38 isn’t a 38, there are other 38’s. If you want a Glock, definitely get the 19 and maybe a 22 to practice with - not the 40 22, but the 44 22. The 22 won’t help you to practice with your 9 as much as a 23, which is closer to the 19. Unless your goal is competition, in which case you should have been considering a 35 or 17L or 24 or 41 or 34 which are 40 9 40 45 9 respectively. The 31 32 and 33 are actually 357’s but not the 38 357’s. They’re 357’s that are more like 9s but not like the 380 is like 9’s. If you wanted that you need a 42. And nobody likes a 42, you’re better off with a 9. And therefore try a 44 because everyone loves to work on their 9 with a 22. Edit: Glock if you read this I want a 44 but not a 22, that is I don’t want a 22 at all but I want a 44 because I’m already into the 22 and I’d prefer a 44 to a 22. Also please make a 50 that is a 17 22 or a 22 22 and make a 49 that is a 50. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Steak Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Makes perfect sense to me. However, I have had a few thoughts while followiong this thread... - "19" is only half of "19-11" - The 1911 can be found in 9, 10, 22, 38, 45 without having to change the name of the gun. - Dang near anybody can manufacture a 1911: A&R Sales Accuracy X A.J. Savage (US gov't contract 1919, made slides only) Alchemy Custom Weaponry American Classic American Tactical AMT Armi Dallera Custom (ADC) Armscor Arsenal Firearms (maker of a unique double-barreled 1911) Astra ATI Australian Precision Arms Auto Ordnance Briley Brixia Brolin Arms Brownells Browning (reduced-size .22 and .380 copies) Bunker Arms Cabot Carolina Arms Caspian (slides and frames only) Charles Daly Christensen Arms Cimarron Citadel CO Arms Colt (commercial and US/foreign gov't contract from 1911 to present day) Coonan (loose copy of the 1911 mostly chambered in .357 Magnum) Cosaint Arms Chiappa (.22LR 1911 copy) Crown City Cylinder & Slide CZ USA Dan Wesson Detonics Devel Devil Dog Arms Dlask Arms D&L Sports Double Star Ed Brown EMF Essex (slides and frames only) Federal Ordnance Falcon Firestorm Freedom Arms Fusion Firearms Gemini Custom Girsan Griffon Combat GSG (.22LR 1911 copy) Guncrafter Industries Gunsite Hero Guns High Standard Imbel Imperial Defense Infinity Inland Manufacturing Interstate Arms (Regent) Interarms Irwindale Arms Industries (IAI) Israeli Arms Industries (also called IAI) Ithaca (new business located in Sandusky, OH) Ithaca (old NY-based company, made pistols under US gov't contract 1943-1945) Iver Johnson Karl Lippard Kimber Kongsberg (M/1914 pistol manufactured in Norway under Colt license) Korth Arms LAR Les Baer Llama (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) Lone Star Magnum Research (Bul) Maximus Custom Metro Arms Michigan Armament Mitchell MP Express National Ordnance Nighthawk Norinco North American Arms Co. Ltd. (US gov't contract in 1918, ~100 pistols assembled but not delivered) Nowlin Palmetto State Armory Para Ordnance/Para USA Pistol Dynamics Olympic Arms Omega Defense Oriskany Arms Peter Stahl Randall Ranger Reeder Custom Regent Remington Arms (current business) Remington Rand (made pistols under US gov't contract 1942-1945, not affiliated with Remington Arms or Remington-UMC) Remington-UMC (US gov't contract 1918-1919) NOTE: ~1000 replicas were made by Remington Arms and Turnbull in 2014) Republic Forge Roberts Defense Rock Island Armory Rock River Arms Ruger Safari Arms S.A.M Salient Arms Sarco Schroeder Bauman Shooters Arms (Philippines) Sig Sauer Singer (US gov't contract, 500 pistols produced in 1941) Sistema (aka D.G.F.M.-F.M.A.P.) (M1927 pistol manufactured in Argentina under Colt license) Smith & Wesson South Fork Arms/Perkins Custom Springfield Armory (former military arsenal in MA, made M1911s from 1914-1917 under US gov't contract) Springfield Armory (commercial business established in 1974, not associated with above) Standard Manufacturing Star (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) STI/Staccato SVI/Strayer Voigt Tanfoglio Taurus Taylor & Co. TİSAŞ TRIARC Systems Turnbull Mfg. Ultimate Arms Unertl Union Switch & Signal (US gov't contract, 1943) Uselton/Ultimate Arms USFA Walther/Umarex (.22LR 1911 copy) Wilson Combat Vega (frames only) Valtro Victory Arms Volkman Only Glock is good enough to manufacture Glocks !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Chuck Steak said: Makes perfect sense to me. However, I have had a few thoughts while followiong this thread... - "19" is only half of "19-11" - The 1911 can be found in 9, 10, 22, 38, 45 without having to change the name of the gun. - Dang near anybody can manufacture a 1911: A&R Sales Accuracy X A.J. Savage (US gov't contract 1919, made slides only) Alchemy Custom Weaponry American Classic American Tactical AMT Armi Dallera Custom (ADC) Armscor Arsenal Firearms (maker of a unique double-barreled 1911) Astra ATI Australian Precision Arms Auto Ordnance Briley Brixia Brolin Arms Brownells Browning (reduced-size .22 and .380 copies) Bunker Arms Cabot Carolina Arms Caspian (slides and frames only) Charles Daly Christensen Arms Cimarron Citadel CO Arms Colt (commercial and US/foreign gov't contract from 1911 to present day) Coonan (loose copy of the 1911 mostly chambered in .357 Magnum) Cosaint Arms Chiappa (.22LR 1911 copy) Crown City Cylinder & Slide CZ USA Dan Wesson Detonics Devel Devil Dog Arms Dlask Arms D&L Sports Double Star Ed Brown EMF Essex (slides and frames only) Federal Ordnance Falcon Firestorm Freedom Arms Fusion Firearms Gemini Custom Girsan Griffon Combat GSG (.22LR 1911 copy) Guncrafter Industries Gunsite Hero Guns High Standard Imbel Imperial Defense Infinity Inland Manufacturing Interstate Arms (Regent) Interarms Irwindale Arms Industries (IAI) Israeli Arms Industries (also called IAI) Ithaca (new business located in Sandusky, OH) Ithaca (old NY-based company, made pistols under US gov't contract 1943-1945) Iver Johnson Karl Lippard Kimber Kongsberg (M/1914 pistol manufactured in Norway under Colt license) Korth Arms LAR Les Baer Llama (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) Lone Star Magnum Research (Bul) Maximus Custom Metro Arms Michigan Armament Mitchell MP Express National Ordnance Nighthawk Norinco North American Arms Co. Ltd. (US gov't contract in 1918, ~100 pistols assembled but not delivered) Nowlin Palmetto State Armory Para Ordnance/Para USA Pistol Dynamics Olympic Arms Omega Defense Oriskany Arms Peter Stahl Randall Ranger Reeder Custom Regent Remington Arms (current business) Remington Rand (made pistols under US gov't contract 1942-1945, not affiliated with Remington Arms or Remington-UMC) Remington-UMC (US gov't contract 1918-1919) NOTE: ~1000 replicas were made by Remington Arms and Turnbull in 2014) Republic Forge Roberts Defense Rock Island Armory Rock River Arms Ruger Safari Arms S.A.M Salient Arms Sarco Schroeder Bauman Shooters Arms (Philippines) Sig Sauer Singer (US gov't contract, 500 pistols produced in 1941) Sistema (aka D.G.F.M.-F.M.A.P.) (M1927 pistol manufactured in Argentina under Colt license) Smith & Wesson South Fork Arms/Perkins Custom Springfield Armory (former military arsenal in MA, made M1911s from 1914-1917 under US gov't contract) Springfield Armory (commercial business established in 1974, not associated with above) Standard Manufacturing Star (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) STI/Staccato SVI/Strayer Voigt Tanfoglio Taurus Taylor & Co. TİSAŞ TRIARC Systems Turnbull Mfg. Ultimate Arms Unertl Union Switch & Signal (US gov't contract, 1943) Uselton/Ultimate Arms USFA Walther/Umarex (.22LR 1911 copy) Wilson Combat Vega (frames only) Valtro Victory Arms Volkman Only Glock is good enough to manufacture Glocks !! Yeah, but Smith and Wesson is still paying royalties to Glock for making the SDVE too "glocklike". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 While we’re on the subject of model numbers… I will try to keep this short: I was at the range one day with several of my Smith & Wesson revolvers. A pretty young lady was watching me shoot them. She seemed very interested in them. I offered to let her shoot one and she declined but kept an eye on what I was doing. A little later I got a tap on my shoulder and it was the guy she was with. He explained that he was teaching her to shoot and she in intimidated by his semiautos and would I explain my revolvers to her. I was happy to oblige (I love it when I can bring another revolver shooter into our ranks) I was explaining the differences in my models 36, 10, 19, 60 Pro and 327 NG. I explained that they each would shoot .38 Special, but only the 19 and 327 would shoot .357 magnum. I saw her eyes glaze over and she said “Isn’t there a 327 magnum?” This told me two things - model numbers vs cartridges they fire confused her and that she had been reading up on revolvers and their cartridges. Then she said “That’s like his Glocks (indicating the guy she’s with) He has a 17 that shoots a 9mm. He also has a 19 and 26 that shoots 9mm. A 21 that shoots a 45 and a stubby gun with a higher number that also shoots a .45, which I really don’t like, by the way.” Both he and I looked at each other and he said “Yes, she really pays attention.” I tried to explain how the model numbers came about on the Smiths but I think all I was doing was confusing myself as much as I was confusing her and I finally just ended with “…the bottom line is the model numbers on guns rarely signify the cartridges they fire.” and left it at that. She shot my models 10, 19 and 327 with .38 ammo. She really liked the model 10. Good girl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Model number confusion clarified: Clear as mud? Any questions? Yes, the lists are incomplete. They’re older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Chuck Steak said: Makes perfect sense to me. However, I have had a few thoughts while followiong this thread... - "19" is only half of "19-11" - The 1911 can be found in 9, 10, 22, 38, 45 without having to change the name of the gun. - Dang near anybody can manufacture a 1911: A&R Sales Accuracy X A.J. Savage (US gov't contract 1919, made slides only) Alchemy Custom Weaponry American Classic American Tactical AMT Armi Dallera Custom (ADC) Armscor Arsenal Firearms (maker of a unique double-barreled 1911) Astra ATI Australian Precision Arms Auto Ordnance Briley Brixia Brolin Arms Brownells Browning (reduced-size .22 and .380 copies) Bunker Arms Cabot Carolina Arms Caspian (slides and frames only) Charles Daly Christensen Arms Cimarron Citadel CO Arms Colt (commercial and US/foreign gov't contract from 1911 to present day) Coonan (loose copy of the 1911 mostly chambered in .357 Magnum) Cosaint Arms Chiappa (.22LR 1911 copy) Crown City Cylinder & Slide CZ USA Dan Wesson Detonics Devel Devil Dog Arms Dlask Arms D&L Sports Double Star Ed Brown EMF Essex (slides and frames only) Federal Ordnance Falcon Firestorm Freedom Arms Fusion Firearms Gemini Custom Girsan Griffon Combat GSG (.22LR 1911 copy) Guncrafter Industries Gunsite Hero Guns High Standard Imbel Imperial Defense Infinity Inland Manufacturing Interstate Arms (Regent) Interarms Irwindale Arms Industries (IAI) Israeli Arms Industries (also called IAI) Ithaca (new business located in Sandusky, OH) Ithaca (old NY-based company, made pistols under US gov't contract 1943-1945) Iver Johnson Karl Lippard Kimber Kongsberg (M/1914 pistol manufactured in Norway under Colt license) Korth Arms LAR Les Baer Llama (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) Lone Star Magnum Research (Bul) Maximus Custom Metro Arms Michigan Armament Mitchell MP Express National Ordnance Nighthawk Norinco North American Arms Co. Ltd. (US gov't contract in 1918, ~100 pistols assembled but not delivered) Nowlin Palmetto State Armory Para Ordnance/Para USA Pistol Dynamics Olympic Arms Omega Defense Oriskany Arms Peter Stahl Randall Ranger Reeder Custom Regent Remington Arms (current business) Remington Rand (made pistols under US gov't contract 1942-1945, not affiliated with Remington Arms or Remington-UMC) Remington-UMC (US gov't contract 1918-1919) NOTE: ~1000 replicas were made by Remington Arms and Turnbull in 2014) Republic Forge Roberts Defense Rock Island Armory Rock River Arms Ruger Safari Arms S.A.M Salient Arms Sarco Schroeder Bauman Shooters Arms (Philippines) Sig Sauer Singer (US gov't contract, 500 pistols produced in 1941) Sistema (aka D.G.F.M.-F.M.A.P.) (M1927 pistol manufactured in Argentina under Colt license) Smith & Wesson South Fork Arms/Perkins Custom Springfield Armory (former military arsenal in MA, made M1911s from 1914-1917 under US gov't contract) Springfield Armory (commercial business established in 1974, not associated with above) Standard Manufacturing Star (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) STI/Staccato SVI/Strayer Voigt Tanfoglio Taurus Taylor & Co. TİSAŞ TRIARC Systems Turnbull Mfg. Ultimate Arms Unertl Union Switch & Signal (US gov't contract, 1943) Uselton/Ultimate Arms USFA Walther/Umarex (.22LR 1911 copy) Wilson Combat Vega (frames only) Valtro Victory Arms Volkman Only Glock is good enough to manufacture Glocks !! I line with my prior post a guy at my LGS asked how many different 1911s there were. The counter guy said “Holy (crap)! Dozens.” Then he rattled off 10 or 12 makers and said “It’s as confusing as Glock model numbers only different…” I think I am going to keep your list as a reference. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Chuck Steak said: Only Glock is good enough to manufacture Glocks !! Everybody wants to make 1911s. Look at that list. Only Glock makes Glocks, because no one else wants to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Just now, Alpo said: Everybody wants to make 1911s. Look at that list. Only Glock makes Glocks, because no one else wants to. Incorrect-amundo! There are nearly as many Glock knock-offs (but H&K made the first polymer framed gun) S&W pays or paid Glock royalties for their blatant copy. I saw a Ruger Security 9 yesterday that looked just like a rounded off Glock. Nearly every gun maker has Glock-like guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 25 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Yes, the lists are incomplete. They’re older. Old isn't the problem. K-frame. No listing for a Model 16. That would be the K32 Masterpiece target pistol. L frame. They made two five shot 44 special L frames. The 696, which was stainless steel with adjustable sights, and the 296, which was an aluminum bodyguard version. Both of those came and went before there was any "Target version" of an L. Seems whoever made that list just Cherry picked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 14 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Incorrect-amundo! There are nearly as many Glock knock-offs (but H&K made the first polymer framed gun) S&W pays or paid Glock royalties for their blatant copy. I saw a Ruger Security 9 yesterday that looked just like a rounded off Glock. Nearly every gun maker has Glock-like guns. Yeah I know. And it's not just pistols. I will see what looks like a semi decent rifle, and then look at it closer, and see that it's got a little dingus sticking out of the trigger, because they're trying to turn the rifle into a Glock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Chuck Steak said: - "19" is only half of "19-11" - The 1911 can be found in 9, 10, 22, 38, 45 without having to change the name of the gun. - Dang near anybody can manufacture a 1911: Only Glock is good enough to manufacture Glocks !! Only Glock can keep track of what they make. 1911 owners already know what they have. A 1911. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tennessee williams Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 9 hours ago, Alpo said: Old isn't the problem. K-frame. No listing for a Model 16. That would be the K32 Masterpiece target pistol. L frame. They made two five shot 44 special L frames. The 696, which was stainless steel with adjustable sights, and the 296, which was an aluminum bodyguard version. Both of those came and went before there was any "Target version" of an L. Seems whoever made that list just Cherry picked. Don't forget, they made a model 10 chambered in 357magnum also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 43 minutes ago, Tennessee williams said: Don't forget, they made a model 10 chambered in 357magnum also. If anybody knows S&W, its ole eagle eye TN Williams. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 On 6/22/2021 at 8:33 PM, Tennessee williams said: Personally I LOVE a 19. A smith and Wesson model 19 357magnum! I'm buying you a Nanner Split just because of this! 11 hours ago, Chuck Steak said: Makes perfect sense to me. However, I have had a few thoughts while followiong this thread... - "19" is only half of "19-11" - The 1911 can be found in 9, 10, 22, 38, 45 without having to change the name of the gun. - Dang near anybody can manufacture a 1911: A&R Sales Accuracy X A.J. Savage (US gov't contract 1919, made slides only) Alchemy Custom Weaponry American Classic American Tactical AMT Armi Dallera Custom (ADC) Armscor Arsenal Firearms (maker of a unique double-barreled 1911) Astra ATI Australian Precision Arms Auto Ordnance Briley Brixia Brolin Arms Brownells Browning (reduced-size .22 and .380 copies) Bunker Arms Cabot Carolina Arms Caspian (slides and frames only) Charles Daly Christensen Arms Cimarron Citadel CO Arms Colt (commercial and US/foreign gov't contract from 1911 to present day) Coonan (loose copy of the 1911 mostly chambered in .357 Magnum) Cosaint Arms Chiappa (.22LR 1911 copy) Crown City Cylinder & Slide CZ USA Dan Wesson Detonics Devel Devil Dog Arms Dlask Arms D&L Sports Double Star Ed Brown EMF Essex (slides and frames only) Federal Ordnance Falcon Firestorm Freedom Arms Fusion Firearms Gemini Custom Girsan Griffon Combat GSG (.22LR 1911 copy) Guncrafter Industries Gunsite Hero Guns High Standard Imbel Imperial Defense Infinity Inland Manufacturing Interstate Arms (Regent) Interarms Irwindale Arms Industries (IAI) Israeli Arms Industries (also called IAI) Ithaca (new business located in Sandusky, OH) Ithaca (old NY-based company, made pistols under US gov't contract 1943-1945) Iver Johnson Karl Lippard Kimber Kongsberg (M/1914 pistol manufactured in Norway under Colt license) Korth Arms LAR Les Baer Llama (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) Lone Star Magnum Research (Bul) Maximus Custom Metro Arms Michigan Armament Mitchell MP Express National Ordnance Nighthawk Norinco North American Arms Co. Ltd. (US gov't contract in 1918, ~100 pistols assembled but not delivered) Nowlin Palmetto State Armory Para Ordnance/Para USA Pistol Dynamics Olympic Arms Omega Defense Oriskany Arms Peter Stahl Randall Ranger Reeder Custom Regent Remington Arms (current business) Remington Rand (made pistols under US gov't contract 1942-1945, not affiliated with Remington Arms or Remington-UMC) Remington-UMC (US gov't contract 1918-1919) NOTE: ~1000 replicas were made by Remington Arms and Turnbull in 2014) Republic Forge Roberts Defense Rock Island Armory Rock River Arms Ruger Safari Arms S.A.M Salient Arms Sarco Schroeder Bauman Shooters Arms (Philippines) Sig Sauer Singer (US gov't contract, 500 pistols produced in 1941) Sistema (aka D.G.F.M.-F.M.A.P.) (M1927 pistol manufactured in Argentina under Colt license) Smith & Wesson South Fork Arms/Perkins Custom Springfield Armory (former military arsenal in MA, made M1911s from 1914-1917 under US gov't contract) Springfield Armory (commercial business established in 1974, not associated with above) Standard Manufacturing Star (Spanish manufacturer making loose copies of the 1911) STI/Staccato SVI/Strayer Voigt Tanfoglio Taurus Taylor & Co. TİSAŞ TRIARC Systems Turnbull Mfg. Ultimate Arms Unertl Union Switch & Signal (US gov't contract, 1943) Uselton/Ultimate Arms USFA Walther/Umarex (.22LR 1911 copy) Wilson Combat Vega (frames only) Valtro Victory Arms Volkman Only Glock is good enough to manufacture Glocks !! 10 hours ago, Alpo said: Everybody wants to make 1911s. Look at that list. Only Glock makes Glocks, because no one else wants to. Alpo, you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 Personally, I will take a Glock any day over a 1911. Anybody’s 1911. God knows enough people make em. If that twists your panties…Tough! I really don’t care. I’ll take a Smith & Wesson revolver over all others as well for defensive revolvers. Now, if someone put a Glock 17 in front of me and an S&W model 19 and said “pick one for self defense.” Well then, I would have a dilemma. The 1911 would be out of the picture between the Glock or the model 19 regardless. I thought about getting another 1911 but decided I wouldn’t be shooting Wild Bunch so perhaps a Glock 21SF. I do like the .45 ACP round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I’ll take a Smith & Wesson revolver over all others as well for defensive revolvers. 5 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: I do like the .45 ACP round. Simple solution is the bottom gun. Smith & Wesson revolver, 45 ACP round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Alpo said: Simple solution is the bottom gun. Smith & Wesson revolver, 45 ACP round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Alpo said: Simple solution is the bottom gun. Smith & Wesson revolver, 45 ACP round. I was thinking about a 625. I got to shoot one a few months ago at my local range. A gentleman there asked me if I would like to try it. His was well broken in. Probably the smoothest DA trigger I have ever felt. At 10 yards I put all 6 rounds in a neat little group. It actually shocked me to think I was capable of shooting that well. The right gun helps, obviously. After I shot it he said he did his own trigger work, but quickly followed that statement with “but I will not work in other people’s guns.” Your .45 is a good looking shooter. What model / dash number is it, if you don’t mind me asking. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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