Moe T Vator Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Howdy All, How many rounds does a gunsmith put down range after conducting the work on a gun before returning it? One for function? 10 for accuracy? A few different load/primer combinations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3.87349573 average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Good question. A guy I shoot with got his new rifle back from gunsmith. Loading gate would not open to load GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Ace Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Not nearly enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Five! (But one must have missed.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I normally cycle 100 dummy rounds thru a Marlin 1894 and require that it feed 100 'consecutive' rounds with NO hiccups, hitches, jams, etc..... before I would return it to the owner. I have, on occasion, set up a rifle that gave 250 'consecutive' cycles with no hiccups, glitches, jams, etc.... before sending back to the owner. I think most GS try to achieve a high rate of reliability but when the owner puts ammo in them with high primers or uncrimped bullets, all that work on reliability goes down the drain. And the most common problem I encounter was the owner not FULLY working the lever while shooting. In other words, the owner induces his own jam because he doesn't work the action completely. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 What makes you think they fire any rounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 You know the answer involves statistics...right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I'm not a gunsmith and have no place to test fire a gun except at the range. But on this subject, I do keep a small package of CCI primers, and any time I work on springs, firing pins, or anything else that could affect ignition, I like to pop off a couple of empty shells with the CCI in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve mile REB Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: 3.87349573 average. Quite a difference between Utah and Colorado average runs at 3.87349577 for big bore 3.87349957 for small. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 minute ago, twelve mile REB said: Quite a difference between Utah and Colorado average runs at 3.87349577 for big bore 3.87349957 for small. Must be a Regional thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twelve mile REB Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Actually most do a very good job for reliability but rarely work on accuracy unless hired to do so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe T Vator Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Better way to ask the question. how many gun smiths DON’T test fire before sending the gun back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: I normally cycle 100 dummy rounds thru a Marlin 1894 and require that it feed 100 'consecutive' rounds with NO hiccups, hitches, jams, etc..... before I would return it to the owner. I have, on occasion, set up a rifle that gave 250 'consecutive' cycles with no hiccups, glitches, jams, etc.... before sending back to the owner. I think most GS try to achieve a high rate of reliability but when the owner puts ammo in them with high primers or uncrimped bullets, all that work on reliability goes down the drain. And the most common problem I encounter was the owner not FULLY working the lever while shooting. In other words, the owner induces his own jam because he doesn't work the action completely. ..........Widder We just did this very thing with a worked gun!!! Not used to the action and didn't fully work it. So yup...100% failure on our part!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 12 minutes ago, Moe T Vator said: Better way to ask the question. how many gun smiths DON’T test fire before sending the gun back? Hmmm... If at a match, usually you will get it from the smith and test yourself. If sending...one should also make sure your ammo of choice is used to test fire! In my opinion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 As for IGNITION reliability, when I set up a Henry .22, I make sure the firing pin protrusion out of the bolt face is between .025 and .035 If less, I put in a new firing pin. I've never had one that exceeded .035 I also make sure (guarantee) that the firing pin moves freely in the bolt with no friction to bind or hinder its movements. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 13 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: 3.87349573 average. I thought it was 3.1415926535 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Quote You know the answer involves statistics...right? And that statistics have a lot of MEANNESS in the results, on average. I've only witnessed gunsmiths shooting work guns which they have rescued at major matches, like EOT and WR and BT. Shooter is usually anxiously waiting for the gun so they can get back into the match. So, if the GS runs a magazine full (10 rounds), most declare it Good To Go at that point. good luck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 When Harland Wolf set up my Uberti I think he asked for 20 rounds, but who knows, it might have been 15.75. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I thought it was 3.1415926535 Nah, pies are different in WY and CO, it's an elevation thing! Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Hey, I didn't know we were havin' pie... What pie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 minutes ago, Krazy Kajun said: Nah, pies are different in WY and CO, it's an elevation thing! Kajun I think that's your imagination, it's clearly something to do with the square root of negative one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 23 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: I think that's your imagination, it's clearly something to do with the square root of negative one. i Captain! Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frontier Lone Rider Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I have watched Cody on several occasions where he steps out to the range and fires a minimum of ten through the rifle. If there are no hiccups, the rifle is good for me to take home. I have three rifles that Cody has fired more rounds than I have, those being back-ups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moe T Vator Posted June 15, 2021 Author Share Posted June 15, 2021 Why does it matter? the point here is if you’re going to spend money to get a gun tuned then it should be put in your hand verified ready to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eyesa Horg Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I thought it was 3.1415926535 That's for dessert! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 Did you have issues with a gun from smith? When I sent my OMV's out, they came back with targets, noting the load and distance, signed and dated by the smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 49 minutes ago, Moe T Vator said: Why does it matter? the point here is if you’re going to spend money to get a gun tuned then it should be put in your hand verified ready to go. Shouldn't even need to be said. Sad state of affairs when people need to be reminded of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSnake Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 I have known a number of good Cowboy /Wild Bunch gunsmiths. Some have had me shoot the gun while they watched it function. The amount of test ammo they run thru depends on what they’re doing to the firearm. Parts replacement versus full action job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Krazy Kajun said: Nah, pies are different in WY and CO, it's an elevation thing! Kajun Oh! Then it must be 3.142857... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliefoxEsquire Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 OK someone just earned a Pie in the face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted June 15, 2021 Share Posted June 15, 2021 3 hours ago, wyliefoxEsquire said: OK someone just earned a Pie in the face. Chocolate cream? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliefoxEsquire Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 Come back to Fernley and YES!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I usually run 30 to 50 action dummys through the gun for function and safety checks. Then I'll run 5 to 10 live rounds of my test ammo into my bullet trap here in the shop. My test ammo is made using Remington primers. Though not as hard as CCI's they are generally harder than Wins or feds. The only time I shoot down range is if the owner request I sight the gun in for him. But, the only way to do that with any consistancy is with his ammo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 16, 2021 Share Posted June 16, 2021 I think it totally depends on the gunsmith, firearm and what was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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