More cancel/erase/change for education...

[Singin' Sue 71615]

Imagine if the U.S. were to open interior Alaska for colonization and, for whatever reason, thousands of Canadian settlers poured in, establishing their own towns, hockey rinks and Tim Hortons stores. When the U.S. insists they follow American laws and pay American taxes, they refuse. When the government tries to collect taxes, they shoot and kill American soldiers. When law enforcement goes after the killers, the colonists, backed by Canadian financing and mercenaries, take up arms in open revolt.

As an American, how would you feel? Now you can imagine how Mexican President Jose Lopez de Santa Anna would have felt in 1835, because that’s pretty much the story of the revolution that paved the way for Texas to become its own nation and then an American state.

 

You will have to look up the article...I have tried again and again to copy link...

Can not find it in my tray...does Time not allow the copy of the link???

[Rex M Rugers #6621]

BOOOO , HISSSS !!! From a natural- born TEXAN.

Rex 

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

https://time.com/6072141/alamo-history-myths/

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

A page loads from the link, but there's nothing to see. It won't scroll.

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

I believe the problems some of you are having are due to your reading over the limit of free articles on Time. When I accessed it, I was advised of a limit (no number included) and asked if I wanted a subscription. I declined and was able to read the article.

[Abilene Slim SASS 81783]

Haven't read a Time article in years.  I didn't see any kind of message.

[Singin' Sue 71615]

47 minutes ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said:

https://time.com/6072141/alamo-history-myths/

Thanks ! Would not let me copy.

[Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217]

I Googled: Time we've been telling the alamo story wrong

 

Then, selected the first item in the results. 

 

It is important to note it was listed as: https://time.com>History>Opinion (bold is mine)

 

 

[Joe LaFives #5481]

A couple of interesting facts.  Santa Anna was president of Mexico on 11 different occasions.  He was even exiled.  Also Winfield Scott (overall commander of the US Army in Mexico ) was offered the Presidency of Mexico by Mexican civil authorities at the end of the Mexican War.

[LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L]

Missouri Sen. George Graham Vest, a former congressman for the Confederacy who remained an advocate for the rights of states to secede, used the following phrase in a speech, reprinted by the Kansas City Gazette and other papers on the next day, Aug. 21, 1891. “In all revolutions the vanquished are the ones who are guilty of treason, even by the historians,” Vest said, “for history is written by the victors and framed according to the prejudices and bias existing on their side.”

[irish ike, SASS #43615]

The biggest myth is they fought the Mexican Army for 13 days. There were  minor skirmishes but no full engagements. Santa Anna Was waiting for his entire army and supplies to get there so he good move north. The final day with a full engagement the Alamo was defeated in about 3 hours. The whole imagery of Mexicans climbing ladders to scale walls is also BS. The walls were mostly fences to keep livestock in. This was not a fort.

[Yellowhouse Sam # 25171]

Santa Anna declared the constitution of 1824 null and void....an act that inflamed both Mexican and Texicans alike.  The defenders of the Alamo flew the 1824 flag!   Just more cancel culture from Time!  Besides, the Texicans were there legally in the beginning ......not like they were invaders

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

DRAT !

Singing Sue has uncovered our nefarious plan!

[watab kid]

ya know ive always said there were two sides to every story [even in the case of ex=wives] but it does not change the history of what actually occurred , only the perception of those listening to the story teller , im OK with trying to get the other sides view out there --- write a book , but im not OK with acting like it didnt happen nor demonizing either side , IT HAPPENED you cant change that , tearing down statues and memorials wont change that fact , better to tell the story as it ended up .......but go ahead , let folks know the other sides view if you care to , i care as well about what we now have because of it , texas is a state , like it or not 

[Capt. R. Hugh Kidnme]

8 hours ago, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:

DRAT !

Singing Sue has uncovered our nefarious plan!

As long as you're bringing Tim H's coffee and a few boxes of Timbits, I'm good

[Dantankerous]

Canadians are too nice to do that. Might whup us in hockey though, eh?

[Pat Riot]

Gee, no mention of the Mexican government welcoming the Anglo settlers and accepting their taxes and money and then oppressing them when they wanted more money but the settlers rebeled…

At least that is what I remember from my history classes that were taught by people that went out of their way to reach true history, not cookie cutter history. 

 

Evil white people! We should be banned! 

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

Double Tap.

[Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474]

2 hours ago, Dantankerous said:

Canadians are too nice to do that. Might whup us in hockey though, eh?

Naw, most of the really good players head South of the Medicine Line for a larger paycheque and better post-career opportunities, EH!? 

[sassnetguy50]

22 hours ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said:

I believe the problems some of you are having are due to your reading over the limit of free articles on Time. When I accessed it, I was advised of a limit (no number included) and asked if I wanted a subscription. I declined and was able to read the article.

Here it is:

"Imagine if the U.S. were to open interior Alaska for colonization and, for whatever reason, thousands of Canadian settlers poured in, establishing their own towns, hockey rinks and Tim Hortons stores. When the U.S. insists they follow American laws and pay American taxes, they refuse. When the government tries to collect taxes, they shoot and kill American soldiers. When law enforcement goes after the killers, the colonists, backed by Canadian financing and mercenaries, take up arms in open revolt.

As an American, how would you feel? Now you can imagine how Mexican President Jose Lopez de Santa Anna would have felt in 1835, because that’s pretty much the story of the revolution that paved the way for Texas to become its own nation and then an American state.

 

If that’s not the version of history you’re familiar with, you’re not alone. The version most Americans know, the “Heroic Anglo Narrative” that has held sway for nearly 200 years, holds that American colonists revolted against Mexico because they were “oppressed” and fought for their “freedom,” a narrative that has been soundly rebutted by 30-plus years of academic scholarship. But the many myths surrounding Texas’ birth, especially those cloaking the fabled 1836 siege at the Alamo mission in San Antonio, remain cherished in the state. Even as the nation is undergoing a sweeping reassessment of its racial history, and despite decades of academic research that casts the Texas Revolt and the Alamo’s siege in a new light, little of this has permeated the conversation in Texas.

Start with the Alamo. So much of what we “know” about the battle is provably wrong. William Travis never drew any line in the sand; this was a tale concocted by an amateur historian in the late 1800s. There is no evidence Davy Crockett went down fighting, as John Wayne famously did in his 1960 movie The Alamo, a font of misinformation; there is ample testimony from Mexican soldiers that Crockett surrendered and was executed. The battle, in fact, should never have been fought. Travis ignored multiple warnings of Santa Anna’s approach and was simply trapped in the Alamo when the Mexican army arrived. He wrote some dramatic letters during the ensuing siege, it’s true, but how anyone could attest to the defenders’ “bravery” is beyond us. The men at the Alamo fought and died because they had no choice. Even the notion they “fought to the last man” turns out to be untrue. Mexican accounts make clear that, as the battle was being lost, as many as half the “Texian” defenders fled the mission and were run down and killed by Mexican lancers.

Nor is it at all clear that the Alamo’s defenders “bought time” for Sam Houston to raise the army that eventually defeated Santa Anna at the Battle of San Jacinto the following month. Santa Anna had told Mexico City he expected to take San Antonio by March 2; he ended up doing so on March 6. In the end, the siege at the Alamo ended up costing him all of four days. Meaning the Alamo’s defenders, far from being the valiant defenders who delayed Santa Anna, pretty much died for nothing.

 

So why does any of this matter? What’s the harm in Texans simply embracing a myth?

 

Census data indicates that Latinos are poised to become a majority of the Texas population any year now, and for them, the Alamo has long been viewed as a symbol of Anglo oppression. The fact that many Tejanos — Texas Latinos— allied with the Americans, and fought and died alongside them at the Alamo, has generally been lost to popular history. The Tejanos’ key contributions to early Texas were written out of almost all early Anglo-authored histories, much as Anglo Texans ran Tejanos out of San Antonio and much of South Texas after the revolt. For too long, the revolt has been viewed by many as a war fought by all Anglos against all of Mexican descent.

“If you’re looking at the Alamo as a kind of state religion, this is the original sin,” says San Antonio art historian Ruben Cordova. “We killed Davy Crockett.”

It’s a lesson many Latinos in the state don’t learn until mandatory Texas history classes taught in seventh grade. “The way I explain it,” says Andres Tijerina, a retired history professor in Austin, “is Mexican-Americans [in Texas] are brought up, even in the first grade, singing the national anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance and all that, and it’s not until the seventh grade that they single us out as Mexicans. And from that point on, you realize you’re not an American. You’re a Mexican, and always will be. The Alamo story takes good, solid, loyal little American kids and it converts them into Mexicans.”

And Mexican-American history isn’t the only piece of the past that’s distorted by the Alamo myth. Academic researchers long tiptoed around the issue of slavery in Texas; active research didn’t really begin until the 1980s. Since then, scholars such as Randolph Campbell and Andrew Torget have demonstrated that slavery was the single issue that regularly drove a wedge between early Mexican governments—dedicated abolitionists all—and their American colonists in Texas, many of whom had immigrated to farm cotton, the province’s only cash crop at the time.

 

His correspondence shows conclusively that Stephen F. Austin, the so-called “Father of Texas,” spent years jousting with the Mexico City bureaucracy over the necessity of enslaved labor to the Texas economy. “Nothing is wanted but money,” he wrote in a pair of 1832 letters, “and Negros are necessary to make it.” Each time a Mexican government threatened to outlaw slavery, many in Austin’s colony began packing to go home. In time, as we know now, they put away their suitcases and brought out their guns.

This, by and large, is not the Texas history many of us learned in school; instead, we learned a tale written by Anglo historians beginning in the 19th century. What happened in the past can’t change. But the way we view it does—and, as a state and a country, now is the time to teach the next generation our history, not our myths."

[Sedalia Dave]

On 6/14/2021 at 10:37 PM, Cold Lake Kid, SASS # 51474 said:

DRAT !

Singing Sue has uncovered our nefarious plan!

 

You mean the one where you're only moving to Alaska to can buy up all the semi-auto rifles and pistols. 

[Sixgun Sheridan]

Texas was founded by a bunch of bigoted white racist slave owners. Therefore we need to give it back to Mexico. I assume that's what they're preaching in schools nowadays?

 

I offer an alternative: give California back to them instead. Just give our Pards time to get out of there first.

[Singin' Sue 71615]

5 hours ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

Texas was founded by a bunch of bigoted white racist slave owners. Therefore we need to give it back to Mexico. I assume that's what they're preaching in schools nowadays?

 

I offer an alternative: give California back to them instead. Just give our Pards time to get out of there first.

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