Alpo Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Does it have to be direct descent, for him to be your ancestor? For example, my great-grandfather Steven had seven brothers. And I am related to Steve's seven brothers. Now the father of Steven and his seven brothers - Bryant - is my ancestor, just as Steven is. But are Steven's brothers - my great great uncles - my ancestors, or are they just my distant relatives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I think they're the same . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 I think they'd be "Great Grand-Uncles." Or something like that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 an·ces·tor /ˈanˌsestər/ Learn to pronounce noun a person, typically one more remote than a grandparent, from whom one is descended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Depends on whether it improves your standing with liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: an·ces·tor /ˈanˌsestər/ Learn to pronounce noun a person, typically one more remote than a grandparent, from whom one is descended. That's the definition I am finding. That would mean that Steven, who I am descended from, is my ancestor. But his brother George, who I am not descended from, is not my ancestor. That's the way it reads to me. I just wanted to know if that's the way it read to everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 If I'm talking about myself I only use "ancestor" when talking about direct lineage. But, talking about society, I will say "Our ancestors weren't stupid." or "Our ancestors were pretty smart, look at what they were able to build and how long it has lasted." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Subdeacon Joe said: If I'm talking about myself I only use "ancestor" when talking about direct lineage. But, talking about society, I will say "Our ancestors weren't stupid." or "Our ancestors were pretty smart, look at what they were able to build and how long it has lasted." Very well said Joe. I agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 Here's another chart "relative" to the discussion. I never understood the "once/twice, etc. removed" designation until I saw this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Sixgun Sheridan said: Depends on whether it improves your standing with liberals. Sort of. Now we can self identify as whatever or whoever we want. Human-fluidity, I guess. Pretty convenient actually! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted June 10, 2021 Share Posted June 10, 2021 My dad's brother (my uncle) told the family of one of their grandfather's (my great grandfather's) brothers was hung from the tongue of a wagon. I don't know if this Great-whatever Uncle is technically an ancestor or not since he didn't have any offspring. But, it sure makes for an interesting family story. Oh, and that great-whatever uncle was the one nobody in the family was supposed to talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 10, 2021 Author Share Posted June 10, 2021 15 minutes ago, Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 said: My dad's brother (my uncle) told the family of one of their grandfather's (my great grandfather's) brothers was hung from the tongue of a wagon. I don't know if this Great-whatever Uncle is technically an ancestor or not since he didn't have any offspring. But, it sure makes for an interesting family story. Oh, and that great-whatever uncle was the one nobody in the family was supposed to talk about. Your post of this story, in another thread, is what caused my ponder. You refer to the horse thief as your ancestor, and then you said he died without issue. Wondered whether you used a different definition of ancestor than I did, or if you were making a funny, like the story about your mother dying before you were born leaving you to take care of your younger brother and sister by yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Sisters and brothers I have none ... but this man's father is my father's son ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted June 11, 2021 Author Share Posted June 11, 2021 He's your son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Alpo said: He's your son. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 yes , i believe they would be , their descendants would be distantly related to you but im thinking the "removed" comes into play somewhere too my great grandfather and his brothers left scotland - he went to canada , they went to austrailia/new zealand , my folks visited those "distant relatives" and were received as kin , also in scotland by the decendants of my great grandfathers sister who remained there , i suspect ......im not interested in looking into it .......that DNA would tie it all together , the DNA data base these ancestry research companies are building has already solved a lot of decades old crimes and i suspect this will become a common crime solving instrument in the future as they increase the efficiency of DNA analysis techniques , i see this as a "big brother" thing right now , in spite of the good its done , im not willing to contribute to this government intrusion , i may change my mind down the road - its not like they cant get my DNA a whole lot of other ways , probably have it already , birth cert has my footprint 0 size has changed a bit tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg Hair, SASS #29557 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Your son, once removed?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 It's all relative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 18 minutes ago, DeaconKC said: I really like that song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 From a genealogical terminology standpoint, they are NOT your ancestors. They are considered collateral relatives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 And I consider the issue of any of my direct as "ancestors." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birdgun Quail, SASS #63663 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 21 hours ago, Alpo said: Your post of this story, in another thread, is what caused my ponder. You refer to the horse thief as your ancestor, and then you said he died without issue. Wondered whether you used a different definition of ancestor than I did, or if you were making a funny, like the story about your mother dying before you were born leaving you to take care of your younger brother and sister by yourself. Not a funny. This story of mine is as told to me by an uncle (my dad's oldest brother}. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 On 6/10/2021 at 4:15 PM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: Here's another chart "relative" to the discussion. I never understood the "once/twice, etc. removed" designation until I saw this. I'd be just a happy if my "removed" cousins, aunts, uncles, etc., stayed removed. Got a few first cousins that applies to, as well, and an uncle by marriage whose mother should have been drowned before he was born. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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