Col Del Rio Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Are 1/2 inch 12 ga shells legal for use? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 ONE HALF INCH LONG? Where do you put the powder and shot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Gun Barney, SASS #2428 Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 1/2" is mighty short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 I reckon they'd be legal - I've made 'em as short as 1 5/8", like the Aguila mini-shells, but... half inch? Allowing for the crimp, the finished length would be about a quarter inch long - the brass base is all that would be left! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 i think he missed a digit here , but i do have a bunch of short shells ive wondered on myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sedalia Dave Posted May 20, 2021 Share Posted May 20, 2021 Their legal but they are too short for our game. Many have tried them but no one tries them twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 They are also very pricey. If they were all you had, then yes you could shoot them. I scrounged some empties once and loaded BP in a few (before the days of knockdowns) as an experiment. They were pretty wimpy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 They're the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheyenne Ranger, 48747L Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I've been working on a load for them as I cut off the crimp of regular hull and then roll crimp them. so this make them a bit shorter than regular ones. I can get them to "just" take down the KDs but have been known to use a regular reload to finish the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Uhm....why would you want to use one that short??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Three Foot Johnson Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Uhm....why would you want to use one that short??? Very clumsy for CAS, but the 1 5/8"ers will fit nine in the magazine of a Mossberg Shockwave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 16 hours ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Uhm....why would you want to use one that short??? I'm guessing he meant 2 1/2 inch. If you are shooting Wild Bunch, and your 97 won't hold 6, you can load two- 2 1/2 inch rounds and four- 2 3/4 rounds to get 6 rounds into your gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 28 minutes ago, Jeb Stuart #65654 said: I'm guessing he meant 2 1/2 inch. If you are shooting Wild Bunch, and your 97 won't hold 6, you can load two- 2 1/2 inch rounds and four- 2 3/4 rounds to get 6 rounds into your gun. I believe he is talking about the super short loads...I have seen the tiny 'c battery' size shells. Wierd little dudes! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 I, too, am certain that he did not mean 1/2 inch. But regardless of what he intended the answer to his question is there is no minimum length for shotgun shells in SASS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Assuming 2-1/2" was meant, they are perfect;y legal. I normally run Magtech all brass at that length, but I also have a few boxes worth of AA's that I have trimmed back. You don't need a special or different press for them, and you can run the exact same load you put in the 2-3/4" ones. All you have to do is put an overshot card over the shot and run it through your normal press. You will get a nice "roll crimp" that holds the card in place. Overall length of the finished shell is the same overall length as a 2-3/4" one, so you don't get any extra capacity in your magazine using this method. Or with the all brass ones for that matter. I have never understood why Wild Bunch stages are written for a 6 rounds in the mag of a gun that is only designed to hold 5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 17 hours ago, Three Foot Johnson said: Very clumsy for CAS, but the 1 5/8"ers will fit nine in the magazine of a Mossberg Shockwave. That's a cool shotgun. But I prefer this one... Sadly, not SASS Legal for some unfathomable reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Knew you couldn't resist showing a picture of one of your guns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
largo casey #19191 Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 You can get wads from Ballistic Products for Short shells. Largo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I think the question has to do with these, as I was recently asked about them for use at our State Match. Not much attraction for me as they don't hold enough BP. Besides, with my fumble fingers, they would be strewn all over the ground like rice at a Chinese Buffet! But the question remains, Are They SASS Legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said: Not much attraction for me, as they don't hold enough BP, and with my fumble fingers, they would be strewn all over the ground like rice at a Chinese Buffet! But the question remains, Are They SASS Legal? YES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: YES. Thank you Sir for your quick response. I will pass it on to the person who made the inquiry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larsen E. Pettifogger, SASS #32933 Posted June 2, 2021 Share Posted June 2, 2021 I experimented with super short rounds. In the first photo the orange round on the left is a standard 2 3/4" round. On the right is a round where the sizer and crimper were turned down so low that the plastic got pushed out the bottom of the shell resuling in a negative 2 3/4" round. Despite the good idea, they don't work for squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimore Ed Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 Been building 2 inch 12 ga for a couple years. They run ok but you do need to remember to tilt the gun a hair left to help them find their way. More so in my Model 12 as they will hit the front of the ejection port. They give me another round in my WB shotguns, 7+1. Recoil is about the same as my full sized shells. I use the red wad shown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlett Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 On 5/21/2021 at 5:07 PM, Singin' Sue 71615 said: I believe he is talking about the super short loads...I have seen the tiny 'c battery' size shells. Wierd little dudes! My first BP match a cowboy loaded for me and had short rounds with a roll crimp. They were AWESOME! I loved shooting them! I don’t have a way to do roll crimp but will investigate while at EOT! HUGS! Scarlett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tequila Shooter Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Scarlett said: My first BP match a cowboy loaded for me and had short rounds with a roll crimp. They were AWESOME! I loved shooting them! I don’t have a way to do roll crimp but will investigate while at EOT! HUGS! Scarlett Roll crimping is easy to do but it is more time consuming then star crimping. I’m sure that’s a primary reason manufacturers use star crimps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 12 hours ago, Baltimore Ed said: Been building 2 inch 12 ga for a couple years. They run ok but you do need to remember to tilt the gun a hair left to help them find their way. More so in my Model 12 as they will hit the front of the ejection port. They give me another round in my WB shotguns, 7+1. Recoil is about the same as my full sized shells. I use the red wad shown. That looks like my Bair loader you're using? If so, I might have to contact you with questions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted June 3, 2021 Share Posted June 3, 2021 18 hours ago, Dogmeat Dad, SASS #48563L said: I think the question has to do with these, as I was recently asked about them for use at our State Match. Not much attraction for me as they don't hold enough BP. Besides, with my fumble fingers, they would be strewn all over the ground like rice at a Chinese Buffet! But the question remains, Are They SASS Legal? THESE are the shortys I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 the shorties i have are south american dove loads that i got from michael mccintoshes stash after he passed , i have kept them as reserve in case i found myself 'short' at a shoot - they have traveled a lot of miles at this point , im not anxious to shoot them up but nice to know they would be acceptable in that pinch that could present itself , ive also held them back because they do afford an extra in the mag in some situations - not that most of us worry of that and certainly not in the SASS venue as we dont load a mag most of the time , i have both 12 and 20s but i have no 20ga gun any more - might be an incentive to buy one tho , ive bought in the past for such a reason , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baltimore Ed Posted June 4, 2021 Share Posted June 4, 2021 Yes you can Sue. I’ve got two, a Pacific and a Bair. One’s is 12 ga and one is 20ga. They are great machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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