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[Pulp, SASS#28319]

Knowing how badly TV Cop shows adhere to the truth, I was wondering, are Internal Affairs officers as bad as TV shows portray them?

[MAYOBARD SASS #13025L]

Luckily, I had very few contacts with them.

[Hashknife Cowboy]

I have to admit it, I was a IA investigator for a few years.  98% of the allegations against officers were bogus, about 2% were legit. I believe I was always fair and most importantly,  never adversarial. I was on the receiving end of IA on a few occasions and was always treated with respect and fairly.  Movies and TV are pure fiction.

[Trigger Mike]

We didn't have internal affairs,  we called on the GBI when an officer faced concerns and I found them to assume the worst and even gleeful if you said something that might prove you guilty and down trodden upon realizing you just proved yourself innocent.   I faced them twice and was cleared both times.

[Pat Riot]

Like brother...like brother...

[The Original Lumpy Gritz]

Depends....yes & no.

OLG 

[Jailhouse Jim, SASS #13104]

After what seems like a lifetime behind the badge, I was involved in at least a dozen Internal Affairs investigations.  Fortunately, my involvement was mostly as a witness. 

 

I can only remember one investigator who was an A$$ and who seemed to be truly a "Headhunter".  He was an out of town investigator who didn't want to be there and made it known.

 

All the others were professional investigators who sifted through the BS for facts that could be corroborated. 

[Smoken D]

As always some were good, some were beyond being called A**H***. 

Once I was listed and when told the date of occurrence I just shook my head. Got the copy of the line up for that day to prove it was my day off.

Another time 75 year old lady made a accusation and did not go far. My Sgt asked me about her and the incident I said she was a very nice person and no problem at all. Had no idea what she was talking about. IAD had her come in and it turned out she admitted I was very kind but made the complaint trying to get out of the ticket.

The only one that was correct was my language once towards a suspect. She accused me of lying while showing her the evidence and I had a few words. Been on the PD like 23 years then with no substantiated complaint. When I went to IAD for my statement I just admitted yep, I said the F word. Now let me get back to work and stop wasting everyone's time. All that would be done is a bad boy letter in my file and would be the end of that. IAD officer looked at me and said but, but, why? Officer told me the woman had to be asked 2 times to leave the office before they could get any kind of statement from her.

You don't get into a lot of trouble for doing something stupid, you get into trouble lying about it.

Now once an officer I worked with the PD was trying to get rid of him and made what we all knew as false accusations against him. IAD went so far as to break into his house looking for some evidence to get their hands on and of course got caught. The officer was no dummy and expected as much would happen. Well, of course he filed one heck of a very large law suit against the PD and settled out of court for a very large settlement in the 7 figure range. And that was back in the 80's.

So there you go, just a few stories I know. Some good, some very bad.

[Pat Riot]

I am not law enforcement but I did get interviewed by LA County Sheriff’s Internal Affairs. They had a different name that I don’t recall. 
Everyday on our rail line we had graffiti. We removed it every day and made reports as well as piled up windows we had replaced as evidence for the Deputies for use in court. 
Judges in LA County started throwing out ALL graffiti and vandalism cases. 
After a time the Deputies stopped making and taking vandalism reports. 
Someone in my management complained and an internal affairs investigation was the result. 
The interviewers were very professional and courteous. They asked my opinion of the issue and I told them “If the courts won’t uphold the law then why should the Deputies waste the taxpayer’s time and money making reports and gathering evidence?”

Somehow word of this investigation reached these judges and these judges actually wanted to bring these deputies up on charges. Scumbags!

 

Anyway, that’s my story. 
 

Oh, the Deputies didn’t get in trouble but they did resume taking reports. And 8 pallets of graffitied Lexan windows somehow ended up in two judge’s parking spots at the Compton Courthouse. We figured we should show the judges how many windows we replaced in less than a week because of their leniency. 

[Marshal Mo Hare, SASS #45984]

The heart I left in the above is for the use of parking spaces

[Buckshot Bob]

1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said:

I am not law enforcement but I did get interviewed by LA County Sheriff’s Internal Affairs. They had a different name that I don’t recall. 
Everyday on our rail line we had graffiti. We removed it every day and made reports as well as piled up windows we had replaced as evidence for the Deputies for use in court. 
Judges in LA County started throwing out ALL graffiti and vandalism cases. 
After a time the Deputies stopped making and taking vandalism reports. 
Someone in my management complained and an internal affairs investigation was the result. 
The interviewers were very professional and courteous. They asked my opinion of the issue and I told them “If the courts won’t uphold the law then why should the Deputies waste the taxpayer’s time and money making reports and gathering evidence?”

Somehow word of this investigation reached these judges and these judges actually wanted to bring these deputies up on charges. Scumbags!

 

Anyway, that’s my story. 
 

Oh, the Deputies didn’t get in trouble but they did resume taking reports. And 8 pallets of graffitied Lexan windows somehow ended up in two judge’s parking spots at the Compton Courthouse. We figured we should show the judges how many windows we replaced in less than a week because of their leniency. 

Seems like this is a problem in many parts of the country today . We don’t need all the new laws the politicians keep wanting to create if we would just actually enforce what we have . The more laws they make the worse things seem to get 

[DeaconKC]

22 hours ago, Smoken D said:

You don't get into a lot of trouble for doing something stupid, you get into trouble lying about it.

 

Yup, exactly, Been through several IA and a couple of court cases. All were documented and cleared.

[Black Angus McPherson]

23 hours ago, Smoken D said:

As always some were good, some were beyond being called A**H***. 

Once I was listed and when told the date of occurrence I just shook my head. Got the copy of the line up for that day to prove it was my day off.

Another time 75 year old lady made a accusation and did not go far. My Sgt asked me about her and the incident I said she was a very nice person and no problem at all. Had no idea what she was talking about. IAD had her come in and it turned out she admitted I was very kind but made the complaint trying to get out of the ticket.

The only one that was correct was my language once towards a suspect. She accused me of lying while showing her the evidence and I had a few words. Been on the PD like 23 years then with no substantiated complaint. When I went to IAD for my statement I just admitted yep, I said the F word. Now let me get back to work and stop wasting everyone's time. All that would be done is a bad boy letter in my file and would be the end of that. IAD officer looked at me and said but, but, why? Officer told me the woman had to be asked 2 times to leave the office before they could get any kind of statement from her.

You don't get into a lot of trouble for doing something stupid, you get into trouble lying about it.

Now once an officer I worked with the PD was trying to get rid of him and made what we all knew as false accusations against him. IAD went so far as to break into his house looking for some evidence to get their hands on and of course got caught. The officer was no dummy and expected as much would happen. Well, of course he filed one heck of a very large law suit against the PD and settled out of court for a very large settlement in the 7 figure range. And that was back in the 80's.

So there you go, just a few stories I know. Some good, some very bad.

 

A lot of that sounds familiar.  I received a complaint one day during the pursuit of a burglary suspect (I think it was a burglar)  A couple cops were fighting with the guy in the middle of a park on the far side of a baseball field.  I drove thru the park to assist and one of the coaches on the field called to complain that I was "racing thru the field and almost hit one of the kids."  My Lt. (A capital D D!@#) wanted to hang me.  Luckily my Sgt. witnessed the whole thing and wrote out a statement that I was no closer that 50 yards from anyone on the field and my speed was 10-12 mph.  I had actually slowed to pick up my Sgt. who was on foot running to assist. 

At my PD a lot depended on who you were and if you were buddies with the Chief.  SOP seemed to be "Guilty until you proved yourself innocent"   The only thing Lt. DH ever wrote me up for was folding a report.  It was not creased, mind you, only bent from being placed over the visor before being turned in.    What a petty jerk.

 

Ahh, memories.   

[John Barleycorn, SASS #76982]

No one likes a rat.

[El CupAJoe]

Child Court Judge, Ex-Head Of LGBT Group That Promoted Drag Queen Story Hour, Arrested On Child Porn Charges
https://www.dailywire.com/news/child-court-judge-ex-head-of-lgbt-group-that-promoted-drag-queen-story-hour-arrested-on-child-porn-charges

 

Maybe not the right place to put this but I saw this article about an alleged dirty judge getting caught and thought ya'll might want to read it.

[Putnam Under]

My experience was that it was always guilty until proven otherwise. 

[DeaconKC]

1 minute ago, El CupAJoe said:

Child Court Judge, Ex-Head Of LGBT Group That Promoted Drag Queen Story Hour, Arrested On Child Porn Charges
https://www.dailywire.com/news/child-court-judge-ex-head-of-lgbt-group-that-promoted-drag-queen-story-hour-arrested-on-child-porn-charges

 

Maybe not the right place to put this but I saw this article about an alleged dirty judge getting caught and thought ya'll might want to read it.

There isn't an emoji capable of showing my feelings right now. I spent 13 years on a unit that did nothing but deal with paroled sex offenders.

[El CupAJoe]

21 minutes ago, DeaconKC said:

There isn't an emoji capable of showing my feelings right now. I spent 13 years on a unit that did nothing but deal with paroled sex offenders.

I'm glad they caught him, makes me so mad that there are people like this in the world. 

[Captain Bill Burt]

14 hours ago, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said:

No one likes a rat.

Yep.  I'm pretty sure the gangbangers feel the same way.

[Cyrus Cassidy #45437]

Every department is different.  My former department's policy was that every IA investigator had to outrank the person they were investigating.  So the majority of IA investigators were Sergeants because that is one step above the line level cop / detective (we had no corporals, etc.).  A Sergeant investigated a cop or detective, a Lieutenant investigated a Sergeant, etc.  In any event, they made all new Sergeants do a certain amount of time in IA within their first few years of being promoted.  

 

On the surface, that seems like it would be a good thing for the line level cops.  However, the administration also imposed a discipline quota on all supervisors.  In other words, they had a minimum amount of discipline they were required to hand out every year.  So at times it seemed as though they were looking for reasons to screw with people.  The vast majority of cops were very good, always told the truth, exercised sound judgement, etc., but the administration couldn't accept it and forced the Sergeants to find reasons to discipline them.  The sheer number of policies was unwieldy -- two, 3-ring binders, each six inches thick.  Some of the policies contradicted one another, and I firmly believe they kept it that way on purpose so they could meet their discipline quota.  Follow one policy and you're violating another, so you get written up.  The next time, you follow the one you got written up for violating, and you get written up for violating the other one.