Snake-eye, SASS#45097 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 I shoot a ‘73 in 357 using mostly 38’s that are 125 gr TCFP. They work very well. My question is regarding 125 gr RNFP with short heads above the crimp grove. They are too short for the ‘73. If the crimp is placed in the lube grove they would work well. Is there any disadvantage to doing that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goody, SASS #26190 Posted March 4, 2021 Share Posted March 4, 2021 No. it will work fine. Just as long as there is sufficient length below the lube groove to stabilize the bullet in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G W Wade Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Do it all the time GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoss Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 What they said. Basically you should have at least the diameter of the Bullet in the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Did it for years when I shot a '92 that liked loooong OAL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Matt Dillon Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 Does that smash the lube out, or am i not understanding correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 In order to get good feeding in one of our rifles, we load 125 TC right at the lube groove Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 It should work just fine. Keep the lube in the case, the crimp should be just at the forward edge of the lube. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I use both the TC or RN, crimp in the crimp groove, and both work just fine in my '73 rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Matt Dillon Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 I have a rossi that cycles .357 perfectly, but balks a little at 38spec. I will try this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Hochbauer, SASS #64409 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 You might also try using the 147 gr bullet is a bit longer and feeds beautifully. Hochbauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 As Blackfoot clarified. The concern with the bullet is to avoid having the bullet recede into the case, thus shortening the cartridge. So crimping at the top of the lube groove gives very strong resistance to any compressive forces on the cartridge. Generally, the only force to expand the length is being fired from the case and that is the purpose of it being fired. (I suppose that dropping the gun onto the muzzle may possibly cause the length to increase but I doubt it. If the gun was dropped that badly, you should carefully check the gun for safety anyway.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Spade Mikey Wilson Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Marshall Matt Dillon said: I have a rossi that cycles .357 perfectly, but balks a little at 38spec. I will try this. Yes I had that same problem with a .357 Rossi rifle I once owned. Never could get it to reliably feed 38 special, but then I didn't want to buy heavier/longer bullets just for it as I use 125 or 130 in everything else. I eventually traded it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted March 5, 2021 Share Posted March 5, 2021 4 hours ago, Marshall Matt Dillon said: I have a rossi that cycles .357 perfectly, but balks a little at 38spec. I will try this. Same here on my Rossi, for it to be reliable with .38s had to use at least a 140 grn TC but 158 grn SWC worked much better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 In the 92s that I had I too preferred a longer OAL, but I found that getting it by using a heavier/longer bullet gave me the best results. The added weight forward helped to keep the nose down and greatly improved the stove piping problem that I was having. Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turquoise Bill, SASS #39118 Posted March 6, 2021 Share Posted March 6, 2021 From Palo Verde's web site, he is the premier "73 mechanic here in AZ: "The ’73 will likely lever smoother and your Marlin or Rossi will likely feed better. Personally, I like around 1.530 in a .357 case with a broad-pointed RNFP bullet. The narrow pointed, truncated 105g bullet in a .38 case can be problematic in some rifles if loaded to .38 spl OAL. Some Marlins prefer around 1.510”OAL, others like up to 1.570”. Most Rossi’s like around the same length. Marlins can be very sensitive about the over-all length and, reportedly, sometimes the shape of the bullet." TB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 Most will shoot anything longer than 1.42 ish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flat iron mike Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 On 3/5/2021 at 9:31 AM, Marshall Matt Dillon said: I have a rossi that cycles .357 perfectly, but balks a little at 38spec. I will try this. My Rossi 92, .357 was sensitive to OAL.. If to short it hung -up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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