Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, DeaconKC said: Sue, the rulebook does sound to someone new like you have to choose a costume category to compete. I have helped write instruction manuals and been an instructor and I thought you had to be in a costume category until I got on here. The Rulebook needs to be clarified for new shooters. Hmmmm... I saw only that you 'should' dress period era (not 'correct') I will finish with my last comment... There has always been 'questions' on ALL the rules, from day one. There is always discrepency because of the many areas of the country, many clubs, ect. We need to realize this is a game... Dress in ANYTHING but the OUTLAWED items (wich are few) And have fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Hmmmm... I saw only that you 'should' dress period era (not 'correct') I will finish with my last comment... There has always been 'questions' on ALL the rules, from day one. There is always discrepency because of the many areas of the country, many clubs, ect. We need to realize this is a game... Dress in ANYTHING but the OUTLAWED items (wich are few) And have fun. Yup, the Rulebook just needs to add one sentence before the Costume Category list to let new folks know you don't have to choose a category to get started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 On 2/5/2021 at 1:05 PM, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: And how could you ever say a hat worn by "The King" is wrong? Lol I think Elvis was in a Western or two, but I think he wore a pretty conventional hat. Unless you mean Roy. Don't recall him ever wearing ANY hat. Unless you mean the other Roy. He wore a fancy hat, but no feathers. I am confused... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, DeaconKC said: Yup, the Rulebook just needs to add one sentence before the Costume Category list to let new folks know you don't have to choose a category to get started. Palewolf was following this thread... Might be a good thing to highlight there are only 2 costume specific catagories... Hmmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 SASS Category Matrix v2.5.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, McCandless said: SASS Category Matrix v2.5.pdf 163.44 kB · 0 downloads Hey, this does not make it simpler for new folks! Yeah, it's thorough, but we are talking about making it SIMPLE and Clear for new folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 39 minutes ago, DeaconKC said: Hey, this does not make it simpler for new folks! Yeah, it's thorough, but we are talking about making it SIMPLE and Clear for new folks. *Costuming Requirements Apply ONLY to these two specific Costume Categories: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Minimum Costume Requirements for ALL other Categories: Basically long pants (other than cargo pants) such as jeans, long sleeve shirt for men, leather shoes. Hat is optional. Prohibited Items: Modern shooting gloves are not allowed, short sleeve shirts of any kind are not allowed for men, short sleeve tee shirts not allowed for anyone. Long sleeve Henley type shirts are OK and long sleeves (of any shirt) may be rolled up if desired, i.e, in hot weather. Modern feathered straw hats (Shady Bradys) are not allowed. (Straw hats of traditional design are acceptable e.g., Stetson, Baily, Sombreros, etc.) Designer jeans are not allowed. Designer jeans include modern jeans that have slogans or logos embroidered, silk screened, and such, saying things like “PINK” or “BABY.” Jeans with fancy or flashy adornments are acceptable. Ball Caps are not allowed. All types of athletic shoes or combat boots, no matter the material from which they are constructed are not allowed. Nylon, plastic, or Velcro accoutrements are not allowed. The displaying of any manufacturer’s, sponsor’s, or team logos on apparel is not allowed. (Manufacturer’s labels on such apparel or equipment are acceptable) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Minimum Costume Requirements for ALL other Categories: Basically long pants (other than cargo pants) such as jeans, long sleeve shirt for men, leather shoes. Hat is optional. Prohibited Items: Modern shooting gloves are not allowed, short sleeve shirts of any kind are not allowed for men, short sleeve tee shirts not allowed for anyone. Long sleeve Henley type shirts are OK and long sleeves (of any shirt) may be rolled up if desired, i.e, in hot weather. Modern feathered straw hats (Shady Bradys) are not allowed. (Straw hats of traditional design are acceptable e.g., Stetson, Baily, Sombreros, etc.) Designer jeans are not allowed. Designer jeans include modern jeans that have slogans or logos embroidered, silk screened, and such, saying things like “PINK” or “BABY.” Jeans with fancy or flashy adornments are acceptable. Ball Caps are not allowed. All types of athletic shoes or combat boots, no matter the material from which they are constructed are not allowed. Nylon, plastic, or Velcro accoutrements are not allowed. The displaying of any manufacturer’s, sponsor’s, or team logos on apparel is not allowed. (Manufacturer’s labels on such apparel or equipment are acceptable) Pants are NOT required for ALL other categories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Okay, but realize that I wanted to be in CAS for 20 years, but due to schedules, never could. So when it came up I would be able to finally start last year, I went to the SASS homepage, downloaded the Rulebook , devoured it and then proceeded to spend $100s of extra dollars because the way I understood the Handbook, you had to be in one of two categories. I am not dense, I have been involved with contract tests for programs worth tens of millions of dollars. The book is NOT clear for beginners and needs to be clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 19 minutes ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Modern feathered straw hats There is a typo here...The SHB prohibits 'Modern feathered cowboy hats' whether they are made of straw or felt. And, as we found out here, plucked Shady Brady hats are legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: Pants are NOT required for ALL other categories. Basically.... Of course, suggested. Kilts are okay...Union Suit is okay...women have their own...ect. So, with all said, I say "goodnight" with this topic. It is all reflective 'to a point'...and we can either go full bore or as easy as we please... Have fun gents....that's what we're here for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 We could also go on and mentioned shirts are not required, either. And, a shirt without sleeves is a vest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckshot Bob Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 32 minutes ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: We could also go on and mentioned shirts are not required, either. And, a shirt without sleeves is a vest. Didn’t Mongo wear just a vest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 7, 2021 Author Share Posted February 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said: Didn’t Mongo wear just a vest Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCandless Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Blue Moon is SASS-legal for most categories! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El CupAJoe Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 13 hours ago, Buckshot Bob said: Didn’t Mongo wear just a vest We need to start a stage by punching a horse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspen Filly 50535 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 On 2/3/2021 at 6:39 PM, John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 said: Well can we stop with age breaks every 5 years? In the costume categories-we don’t have age breaks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Aspen Filly 50535 said: In the costume categories-we don’t have age breaks Match directors may offer age breaks in costume categories if they have the number of participants to support it. SHB pg 10 Quote CATEGORY MATRIX Above the “Base Categories” listed in this handbook, the local club monthly match and club annual match level, all SASS recognized shooting categories may be offered by subdividing by all factors; including age, gender, shooting style, and propellant. When breaking down all style/costume categories, the regulations for the base category is to be applied first, then the age limits. A full listing of all possible shooting category combinations is unavailable. The breakdown examples below serve to provide a glimpse into the various possibilities: - Gunfighter → Lady Senior Gunfighter → Lady Senior Frontier Cartridge Gunfighter. - Duelist → Lady Duelist → Lady Senior Duelist → Lady Silver Senior Duelist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 The following is of note and from P. 2 in the SHB. "CLOTHING & ACCOUTREMENTS Cowboy Action Shooting™ is a combination of historical reenactment and Saturday morning at the matinee. Participants may choose the style of costume they wish to wear, but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century, a B-Western movie, or Western television series. SASS puts a great deal of emphasis on costuming because it adds so much to the uniqueness of the game and helps to create a festive, informal atmosphere that supports the friendly, fraternal feeling we encourage in our competitors. All shooters must be in costume, and we encourage invited guests and family also to be costumed. Shooters must remain in costume at all match events, including dinners, award ceremonies, dances, and other SASS related activities. All clothing and equipment must be worn appropriately and how it was intended, or how it would have been in the Old West or as seen on B-Western movies and television. Specific requirements for costuming lie within the costuming shooting categories; please refer to the shooting category section for a list of requirements." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Lotsa "musts" in there but we don't always see it, do we? Some folks figure that when the shootin's done, it's time for ball caps and flip-flops. I say Ptooey! Wear your duds and be proud of em! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Let me clarify, " but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century." This includes townies, shopkeepers, barkeeps, prisoners, sportsmen, firemen, policemen, Scotsmen, military, farmer... (and women ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Allie Mo, SASS No. 25217 said: Let me clarify, " but all clothing must be typical of the late 19th century , a B-Western movie, or Western television series. " An easy example is to tell folks to dress like Chuck Connors.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 A lot of folks DO dress like Chuck Connors... but that's not very B-Western, is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 minute ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: A lot of folks DO dress like Chuck Connors... but that's not very B-Western, is it? no, but it is a "Western television series" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Agreed... and Chuck Connors was the man! Played for the Cubs, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Agreed... and Chuck Connors was the man! Played for the Cubs, ya know? Quit slandering the man that way! Go Cards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted February 9, 2021 Author Share Posted February 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 said: Agreed... and Chuck Connors was the man! Played for the Cubs, ya know? and the Celtics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 5 minutes ago, DeaconKC said: Quit slandering the man that way! Go Cards! Death to them Red Birds! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: and the Celtics Yeah, but that's bassaball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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