Marshal Stone, SASS #53366 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Looking at helping one of our shooters with .44 special. Does anyone have a proven load for .44 special using Clays or Tite Group for 200 or 225 gr. RNFP Not interested in any other powder choices. I've looked at a couple of manuals and have an idea of what to use but would like info about what is actually working. Loads for .44 mag with the same bullets might be helpful as well. Thanks Marshal Stone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Howdy Marshall, I have used 3.5gr of Clays (the Hodgdon minimum) with a 200gr bullet in 44 Spcl for pistols. Worked fine, brass was pretty clean. I don't know if I ever shot those in cold weather since that can affect Clays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 17, 2021 Share Posted January 17, 2021 Now that I go back and look at my older data, I also loaded quite a few 200gr 44 Spcl with 4.5gr of Titegroup. I finally quit using that powder because it is so snappy. It loosened the screws on my guns worse than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 200gr .... Titegroup From 5.0 grains to 6.2 grains PS Marshal ... there are loading data links in SASS FAQ for both smokeless and black powder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 2 hours ago, John Boy said: 200gr .... Titegroup From 5.0 grains to 6.2 grains PS Marshal ... there are loading data links in SASS FAQ for both smokeless and black powder John Boy, where did that data come from? Hodgdon's site shows minimum 4.5 grains and max of 5.4 grains for Titegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 See post below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 http://stevespages.com/429p_4_200.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I think those loads are gonna be too hot for CAS, which is what the OP was asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 https://hodgdon.com/titegroup/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 With those 2 powders. Go with middle of the chart load for good year-round results. You want a firm roll crimp. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 I've used Clays in my .44 Specials for years--even in below zero with no problems. 200 gr. RNFP, 4.4 grs Clays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, Crusty said: I've used Clays in my .44 Specials for years--even in below zero with no problems. 200 gr. RNFP, 4.4 grs Clays. Have you tried Unique or WW231? OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted January 18, 2021 Share Posted January 18, 2021 1 hour ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Have you tried Unique or WW231? OLG Lumpy, As a matter of fact I started with Unique. I was looking for a powder I could use for both shotgun and pistol and Clays fit the bill. Then came WB and I use 231 in my .45 ACPs and now my .38s and .44s. Still use Clays in the shotshells and as backup for the pistol calibers. Got 8 pounds of each and hopefully have enough primers to make it through the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 19, 2021 Share Posted January 19, 2021 14 hours ago, Crusty said: Lumpy, As a matter of fact I started with Unique. I was looking for a powder I could use for both shotgun and pistol and Clays fit the bill. Then came WB and I use 231 in my .45 ACPs and now my .38s and .44s. Still use Clays in the shotshells and as backup for the pistol calibers. Got 8 pounds of each and hopefully have enough primers to make it through the summer. Unique works very well for SG. 12GA, try 17-17.5gn with 3/4-1oz shot. Less recoil than Featherlite. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowboy Junky Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 I used 3.8 and a 180 and it was a nice mild load. I'd try 3.8 and a 200 and go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 3:51 PM, Crusty said: I've used Clays in my .44 Specials for years--even in below zero with no problems. 200 gr. RNFP, 4.4 grs Clays. Well, max is 4.5gn OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 The Hogdon cowboy action load data has a warning about their data. It states that they use pressure test barrels and that carbine velocities will be close to the listed data. It warns that from a 4 5/8 inch barrel you can lose about 175 fps and around 50fps from a 7 1/2 inch. Of course you need to chronograph to be sure. If you're just relying on their data without noticing their warning you could be looking at a 500 fps load instead of 650 fps that you thought you're achieving. This was in the info written by Birdshot at the front of the cowboy load data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted January 20, 2021 Share Posted January 20, 2021 My 200grn RNFP Titegroup load is 4.5 grn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crusty Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 On 1/19/2021 at 7:25 PM, The Original Lumpy Gritz said: Well, max is 4.5gn OLG Lumpy, when I started this game I was loading .44 Magnum and Max Load was 6.4 grains of Clays. 4.4 hrs. grouped best. Switched to .44 Spl Open Tops and the 4.4 Load grouped the best out of them too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rooster Ron Wayne Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 Unique will work for about any gun in any Caliber we shoot in this game . It's not the best at anything. But it will work for about everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted January 22, 2021 Share Posted January 22, 2021 12 minutes ago, Rooster Ron Wayne said: Unique will work for about any gun in any Caliber we shoot in this game . It's not the best at anything. But it will work for about everything. Has the most fitting name for a powder. It's the first powder ever released for reloading. OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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