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I have siblings who are staunch Trump haters.  3 to be exact.  My mom is a Trump supporter.  Off and on the siblings would remove her from the family chat group if she said something pro Trump.  I was never invited at all for various reasons like telling my brother to put down the beer and go get a job.  

 

The siblings let my mom back on .  She will post pics of my baby goats or her new life living at the end of my driveway.   On her own page she still posts pro Trump messages.   

 

My mom posted something about antifa blending in with the protest and causing problems and so my siblings unfriended her and removed her from the family chat group.

 

So now these people have both houses of congress and the white house but they still are not happy unless my mom agrees with them.  

 

No matter who is president,  your mom and your siblings are still your relatives.   Politicians come and go but the blood line remains.   We need to remember that. 

 

 

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I have one sister that is a Trump disliker. She and I disagree on most everything political but we don't expect to change either of our minds so we still talk and discuss politics but understand we are two different beings and have the ability to t hink. We are family and that  comes first over any political; situation.

 

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All of my friends and family have differing views on politics. We try not to get into discussions about this, but sometimes it gets into politics. I usually don't say much because my views are my own. I have been a lifelong Republican (since I registered to vote in 1962), recently re-registered to Unaffiliated because my views don't line up with any party right now. Nuff said...................

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Sorry about your family situation, TM. These are trying times in many ways. 
 

Among our four kids we have a staunch Trump supporter, one who wanted Bernie Sanders but settled for Biden, and two moderates who ended up splitting their votes. Conversations can be lively but we’re still family. 

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2 hours ago, Trigger Mike said:

No matter who is president,  your mom and your siblings are still your relatives.   Politicians come and go but the blood line remains.   We need to remember that.

 

My family is the same way, all but me are liberals, but we keep politics out of things and usually get along. The only time I remember things getting testy was Christmas gathering 2012, weeks after Sandy Hook. My mom was pretty charged up and went on a long anti-gun rant that I refused to listen to. Amazingly though I was invited back the next year.

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My only sibling is a sister who is a religious nut and sees everything through a view through a soda straw.  She's my sister and I love her but if I lived near her I strangle her inside of a week.

 

I haven't spoken to her since Thanksgiving.  I suspect I'm being punished for something.

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I understand.  My brother is a university professor, (biochemistry and genetics), virulent atheist and far left.  I am not an atheist and have opposing political views .  We don't discuss religion nor politics.  Life is better that way.

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2 hours ago, Trigger Mike said:

I have siblings who are staunch Trump haters.  3 to be exact.  My mom is a Trump supporter.  Off and on the siblings would remove her from the family chat group if she said something pro Trump.  I was never invited at all for various reasons like telling my brother to put down the beer and go get a job.  

 

The siblings let my mom back on .  She will post pics of my baby goats or her new life living at the end of my driveway.   On her own page she still posts pro Trump messages.   

 

My mom posted something about antifa blending in with the protest and causing problems and so my siblings unfriended her and removed her from the family chat group.

 

So now these people have both houses of congress and the white house but they still are not happy unless my mom agrees with them.  

 

No matter who is president,  your mom and your siblings are still your relatives.   Politicians come and go but the blood line remains.   We need to remember that. 

 

 

Brother against brother, just like the civil war. It’s been over 150 years and history just keeps repeating itself. Unfriending their mother on social media. LMAO, what a mature move. 

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8 hours ago, Trigger Mike said:

I have siblings who are staunch Trump haters.  3 to be exact.  My mom is a Trump supporter.  Off and on the siblings would remove her from the family chat group if she said something pro Trump.  I was never invited at all for various reasons like telling my brother to put down the beer and go get a job.  

 

The siblings let my mom back on .  She will post pics of my baby goats or her new life living at the end of my driveway.   On her own page she still posts pro Trump messages.   

 

My mom posted something about antifa blending in with the protest and causing problems and so my siblings unfriended her and removed her from the family chat group.

 

So now these people have both houses of congress and the white house but they still are not happy unless my mom agrees with them.  

 

No matter who is president,  your mom and your siblings are still your relatives.   Politicians come and go but the blood line remains.   We need to remember that. 

 

 

 

Since they are treating her badly, then maybe write them out of her will.

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I have an ex-sister in Ohio. When our parents died, we were supposed to divide everything, (mostly a nice, $250,000 house) as our inheritance. Since she's still in Ohio, and I'm in Arizona, Her and her husband were going to do some renovations and sell it. I was going to use my share to pay off my mortgage and retire at 62.

However.... she got comfortable there, and started using the house as her own personal ATM. She finally lost it. The only person I've ever heard of that was GIVEN a house, and lost it to the bank. 

Five years later, (age 66), I'm still working and still paying a mortgage. We haven't spoken since 2008. 

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6 hours ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said:

My youngest daughter was a conservative up until she moved to California and became a social worker. Something in the water.

 

Same here.  My daughter went to school in California and now lives in San Francisco.  She seldom talks to me and when we do it makes me uncomfortable as I never know what she or I will say that will spark a dispute.  It is so sad our country has come down to this.

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I have a sister and four brothers. My wife and I have 5 kids, all now middle-aged, and 12 grandchildren, most of them grown up.

 

We've never had an estrangement or even a big argument. Politically, we all seem to be more or less similar; mostly Republicans, a couple Dems, but nobody radical. We've certainly never had a fight over Trump; some like him, some don't.

 

We all live in the area and we definitely do not have any family social media at all. It's actually possible to live in relative harmony like this. I don't know the secret; but one does not press any advantage so as to hurt or anger another.

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32 minutes ago, Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 said:

I have an ex-sister in Ohio. When our parents died, we were supposed to divide everything, (mostly a nice, $250,000 house) as our inheritance. Since she's still in Ohio, and I'm in Arizona, Her and her husband were going to do some renovations and sell it. I was going to use my share to pay off my mortgage and retire at 62.

However.... she got comfortable there, and started using the house as her own personal ATM. She finally lost it. The only person I've ever heard of that was GIVEN a house, and lost it to the bank. 

Five years later, (age 66), I'm still working and still paying a mortgage. We haven't spoken since 2008. 

 

After my dad passed, my brother wanted to play me and my sister for fools. Sister (executor) and I liquidated the estate as soon as possible. Still took a year but worth it to financially extricate ourselves.

Nice couple bought dad's house. When they were moving in, he showed up and demanded they get out of his dad's house. They called my sister about it and threatened to call the police if it happened again. She said please do.

Family members will bleed you dry if you let them.

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And I thought this was America, and we were free to believe whatever we thought best. Silly me.

Whatever happened to: love your enemies, pray for those that persecute you, honor your father and your mother? 

 

Evelyn Beatrice Hall said it best: "I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

It's too bad the First Amendment doesn't apply to families, and friends.  

 

Frankly, I do not understand the hatred some people have for the President. None of us, likely, have agreed with everything any President has done, or stood for, but this President has had to endure an unreasonable amount of virulent hatred, that even causes family members to fall out with one another.

 

I, for one, would like to ask these people exactly what reasons they have for that kind of hatred. I want to confront them and pin them down on exactly what they find so disgusting that they hate him that much. Like as not, they can't give a really good reason, other than they are on a happiness quest, and not a truth quest. They just want everyone to affirm what they believe to be true and right, and if you don't, then you are disrespected as well. 

The least tolerant people I know, are the most politically "liberal"...unless you agree with them. 

A person I have known since 1973, terminated our friendship over their hatred of the President, and her love for socialism. As it turned out, that person had no clue as to what the real meaning, and definition, of socialism is. Out of pure hatred, and ignorance, they threw away a 47 year friendship. That is the caustic attitude that is alive and well in this country today. A spirit of unreasonable hatred, at the expense of a spirit of love and tolerance. 

 

 

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I don’t talk to my brother very much or sister in law hardly at all. She and I can be in the same room all day and not speak, and though awkward it’s fine by me. If there was ever a more toxic person, I’ve yet to meet them. My brother is conservative, but pushy, forces opinion on everyone, then cusses you out if you rebut or offer a differing opinion 

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A major problem is that the art of civil discourse has escaped us.  Nowadays, constructive conversations are largely absent and loud interruptions, shout downs, and condescending remarks are  the accepted norm.   I think most people have learned this from watching shows like the View and so-called news panels where that behavior is the norm..

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10 minutes ago, Yellowhouse Sam # 25171 said:

A major problem is that the art of civil discourse has escaped us.  Nowadays, constructive conversations are largely absent and loud interruptions, shout downs, and condescending remarks are  the accepted norm.   I think most people have learned this from watching shows like the View and so-called news panels where that behavior is the norm..

 

My opinion is that a lot of this is caused by "social" media.  You go to dinner anymore and many times your tablemates have their faces buried in their phones the whole time.  Rather than talk, people make snap judgments based on whether they have been friended or unfriended.  I have seen people seated ten feet apart sending each other text messages.

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You can pick your friends, you can't pick your relatives. 

My old friend Caprock, a WWII fighter pilot, once told me "don't hang out with people you wouldn't spend the night in a foxhole with".

I have over 70 first cousins, both of my parents had 12-13 siblings. Might speak with 4-5 of my cousins. Family is overwhelming for some of us.

Personally, I don't care about inheriting anything. 

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And the messages from those that just kept the House and gained the Senate and White House to those who did not support them is "we need unity", which means submittal.

My response is "not hardly".

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Without going into specifics, I have one brother that has chosen a different political bent.  All of us brothers can get along still; however, the in-laws are causing unnecessary friction.

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Howdy,

Seems no commentator really gets it that this contry is 

darn near half and half on so many issues.

Stop and think about it. Half and half....quite strange.

Best

CR

 

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17 minutes ago, Chili Ron said:

Howdy,

Seems no commentator really gets it that this contry is 

darn near half and half on so many issues.

Stop and think about it. Half and half....quite strange.

Best

CR

 

 

I have had this conversation several times.  The problem is one-half thinks the other half is 100% wrong.  Thus, the 50/50 equation is irrelevant to them.  The "commentators" side with the group that purports it is 100% correct on all issues.

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A principle of winning any disagreement/conflict:  allow your opponent to make mistakes.

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1 hour ago, Chili Ron said:

Howdy,

Seems no commentator really gets it that this contry is 

darn near half and half on so many issues.

Stop and think about it. Half and half....quite strange.

Best

CR

 

I’m not sure. I’m almost convinced 1/3,1/3, and 1/3 is more accurate based on those that bow out of even participating in the political process, if that’s what you’re referencing. Which, if you ponder for a moment, makes any political victory far from convincing.

 

The final third being either stoned, indifferent, disaffected, imprisoned or too ignorant to participate in the process.

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40 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

A principle of winning any disagreement/conflict:  allow your opponent to make mistakes.

First, an opportunity must be allowed for honest and fair debate. Unfortunately, we no longer have with us William F Buckley and Firing Line. 

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43 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said:

A principle of winning any disagreement/conflict:  allow your opponent to make mistakes.

 

One of the best ways of getting along with family or friends is to not care to, or try to, win arguments. And to not view them as opponents.

 

We tend to pay too much attention to what people think, or the ideas they express, as opposed to their deeds and general conduct. Being in a deep blue state, I have lots of friends down the years who have views to the left of mine. I have no difficulty remaining friends. I feel free to state my views once in awhile when called to, but I never try to argue or to convince them.

 

You'd be surprised how often such an approach actually brings people around.

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10 minutes ago, Dirty Dan Dawkins said:

First, an opportunity must be allowed for honest and fair debate. Unfortunately, we no longer have with us William F Buckley and Firing Line. 


Conservatives used to get a little respect.

 

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im fortunate in that my  spouse , two siblings and both children are like minded , i cant say that completely of all inlaws but the majority are also , as well as all of my friends , i hope one day we see an adjustment but i fear its not gonna be soon , 

 

 

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I have a similar story to many here. East Coast Filly and I are staunch conservatives while our two sons accepted the koolaide. The younger son and his wife embrace the squad and would have preferred Bern over Biden. We get along because we never, ever, bring up politics.

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After our last 'family' vacation back in May I resolved to never again spend a night underneath my brother's roof.  Sure enough, Christmas vacation and his wife has to bring up politics and gloat about Biden's 'win.'  Our 2021 family vacations will occur without them being present.  Some of you will say that's sad.  I'm callous enough not to really care one way or the other.

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The two party system was meant to divide us no matter the consequences. Politians at work.

Rome is in ruins and congress is dancing in the ashes.

 

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