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I'd like to ask a very simple question.   I think I *might* know what the answer is, but I don't want to assume anything.  Why is it that .22 WMRF ammo is not allowed in events that use .22s?

I can think it is one of three possibilities.

 

1.  There is a safety concern connected to the higher velocity of the Winmag compared to Long Rifles and potential ricocheting.  

2.  The fact that a lead bullet .22 Magnum does not exist, they are are all jacketed.

3.  Just because.

 

I would say that reasons 1 and 2 do make sense to me if either one or both of them are the reason.   I'd hate to learn that reason 3 is the reason, but would not be surprised if it is.

I am NOT advocating for a rule change.  I am just asking out of curiosity and hoping that someone knows the "why" behind this rule.

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#2, DING, DING, DING.

Velocity is a little high too.

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The use of 22lr ammunition is allowed for buckaroo category to allow children to compete without heavy guns with higher recoil which might discourage them from competing. If they want to use something with more oomph, they can then use any legal main match firearm, and ammunition. 
 

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Note that the SHB pg 5 states that all .22 ammo be standard velocity and not high velocity.

 

Buckaroo/Buckarette: 13 and under.

  • Buckaroo/Buckarette competitors must use revolvers, rifles, and shotguns meeting the external standards but may be chambered in .22 LR for revolvers and rifles and .410 caliber, 28 ,or 32 gauge shotguns.
  • Standard velocity ammunition for these firearms must be used.
  • Knockdown targets are not required to fall for Buckaroo category shooters. A hit will be scored as long as the target is clearly hit.
  • An alternate target must be provided for all aerial shotgun targets for Buckaroo category competitors.
  • Buckaroo category competitors choosing to use center-fire ammunition in handguns and/or rifles must meet all center-fire power factor and velocity requirements.
  • Caution is urged in allowing competitors under 14. Local laws, regulations, and insurance requirements may prevent matches from offering some age groups.
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2 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

 

I'd like to ask a very simple question.   I think I *might* know what the answer is, but I don't want to assume anything.  Why is it that .22 WMRF ammo is not allowed in events that use .22s?

I can think it is one of three possibilities.

 

1.  There is a safety concern connected to the higher velocity of the Winmag compared to Long Rifles and potential ricocheting.  

2.  The fact that a lead bullet .22 Magnum does not exist, they are are all jacketed.

3.  Just because.

 

I would say that reasons 1 and 2 do make sense to me if either one or both of them are the reason.   I'd hate to learn that reason 3 is the reason, but would not be surprised if it is.

I am NOT advocating for a rule change.  I am just asking out of curiosity and hoping that someone knows the "why" behind this rule.

Why, you already knew the answer!  Danged but you're smart. ;)

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3 hours ago, Sedalia Dave said:

Note that the SHB pg 5 states that all .22 ammo be standard velocity and not high velocity.

 

Buckaroo/Buckarette: 13 and under.

  • Buckaroo/Buckarette competitors must use revolvers, rifles, and shotguns meeting the external standards but may be chambered in .22 LR for revolvers and rifles and .410 caliber, 28 ,or 32 gauge shotguns.
  • Standard velocity ammunition for these firearms must be used.

Most of the “bulk pack” .22 long rifle ammo is high velocity.  I’ve never seen anyone question the type of ammo used, but that is what the Handbook says.

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Hello the fire,

 

One of the big problems with 22 magnum is target damage. One of the clubs I used to belong to would not allow it on the indoor targets, 44 mag was fine. It is a matter of physics, the metplat, the front point of the bullet and the velocity contribute to damaging targets.

 

Chelsea

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2 hours ago, Abe E.S. Corpus SASS #87667 said:

Most of the “bulk pack” .22 long rifle ammo is high velocity.  I’ve never seen anyone question the type of ammo used, but that is what the Handbook says.

 

I've been wondering about this.  Looking at various boxes of .22LR, some say "High Velocity".  Okay.  Others say 1200fps or 1240fps.  Others don't say, just 36gr bullet.  What constitutes "high velocity" ?

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24 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said:

 

I've been wondering about this.  Looking at various boxes of .22LR, some say "High Velocity".  Okay.  Others say 1200fps or 1240fps.  Others don't say, just 36gr bullet.  What constitutes "high velocity" ?

 

 
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What is 22 standard velocity?
The velocity of standard-velocity .22 LR rounds varies between manufacturers. Some standard velocity ammo may be slightly supersonic-around 1,125 ft/s (343 m/s), other ammo such as CCI Standard Velocity .22 LR ammunition is rated at 1,070 ft/s (330 m/s).

 

 
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7 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said:

 

I'd like to ask a very simple question.   I think I *might* know what the answer is, but I don't want to assume anything.  Why is it that .22 WMRF ammo is not allowed in events that use .22s?

I can think it is one of three possibilities.

 

1.  There is a safety concern connected to the higher velocity of the Winmag compared to Long Rifles and potential ricocheting.  

2.  The fact that a lead bullet .22 Magnum does not exist, they are are all jacketed.

3.  Just because.

 

I would say that reasons 1 and 2 do make sense to me if either one or both of them are the reason.   I'd hate to learn that reason 3 is the reason, but would not be surprised if it is.

I am NOT advocating for a rule change.  I am just asking out of curiosity and hoping that someone knows the "why" behind this rule.

Same reason ya don't run yer Ferrarri flat out in town.

kR

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4 minutes ago, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

With SASS velocity limits.

CCI mini-mag .22 LR cartridge would be OK.

My concern, is that the bullet is a copper 'washed' all lead.

PWB, is it SASS legal?

OLG 

 

"Copper-washed" was deleted from the ammo regs a few years ago...not the same as "plated". 

 

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REVOLVER AND RIFLE AMMUNITION

- May not be jacketed, semi-jacketed, hollow point, plated, or gas checked. It must be all lead. Moly-Disulfide, polymer coated bullets, or equivalents are acceptable.

 

SHB p.26

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20 hours ago, Dutch Wheeler said:

Not to mention it is overpriced and hard to find!

+1000        It's as much as .38 special if not more!!

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Howdy; asked to use 22 WRF  in derringer decades back. Got a NO! letter from the wild bunch, ammo to fast, even if it was lead bullet. They also declined my request  to use a Tomson Contender break open hand gun in long range side match.:)

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1 hour ago, VICIOUS, SASS#8014 said:

Howdy; asked to use 22 WRF  in derringer decades back. Got a NO! letter from the wild bunch, ammo to fast, even if it was lead bullet. They also declined my request  to use a Tomson Contender break open hand gun in long range side match.:)

 

Are you saying this rule:

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.22 Magnum ammunition is not allowed

SHB p.29 - "Pocket Pistols and Derringers"

 

has your name on it?  ;)

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On 1/5/2021 at 5:49 PM, The Original Lumpy Gritz said:

With SASS velocity limits.

CCI mini-mag .22 LR cartridge would be OK.

My concern, is that the bullet is a copper 'washed' all lead.

PWB, is it SASS legal?

OLG 

Are they STANDARD VELOCITY??????? 

If the answer is no, then they are illegal.

 

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On 1/5/2021 at 5:28 PM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

CCI Standard Velocity .22 LR ammunition is rated at 1,070 ft/s

 

CCI Mini Mag "Target" velocity is 1235 fps = High Velocity = NOT LEGAL

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5 hours ago, Ace_of_Hearts said:

Are they STANDARD VELOCITY??????? 

If the answer is no, then they are illegal.

 

The CCI mini-mag 40gn solid .22LR falls within SASS velocity requirements and are under 1400fps for rifle and under 1K fps in my revolver. 

Why are they 'illegal'? :huh:

OLG 

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5 hours ago, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said:

 

CCI Mini Mag "Target" velocity is 1235 fps = High Velocity = NOT LEGAL

Isn't rifle max FPS 1400?

Is there different velocity requirements for .22 that I missed? :blush:

OLG 

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The "standard velocity" restriction applies to the "Buckaroo/Buckarette" categories.

 

Standard velocity ammunition for these firearms must be used.

SHB p.5 – “Buckaroo/Buckarette” category regs

 

Standard velocity .22 caliber, rim-fire ammunition is allowed within the Buckaroo Category only.

SHB p.37 – “Revolver Calibers”

 

Buckaroo/Buckarette Category competitors choosing to utilize .22 caliber firearms must use standard velocity .22 caliber rim-fire ammunition only.
SHB p.39 – Rifle Calibers”

 

The minimum velocity regs apply to "Centerfire" ammunition.

The max/min velocity rules do not apply to long range rifle side match ammo:

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Pocket pistols, derringers, and long-range rifles are exempt from the power factor and velocity requirements.

SHB p.25 - "Ammunition Covenants"

 

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The CB works well tucked behind a gray squirrel's ear when infestations occur inside the city limits.

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Howdy; back then then (DECADES) rules were not as written down as now. This is why the book is growing.

       Also many did not know the difference from 22 MAG from the original 22 Winchester rim fire (22 WRF)

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8 minutes ago, VICIOUS, SASS#8014 said:

Howdy; back then then (DECADES) rules were not as written down as now. This is why the book is growing.

       Also many did not know the difference from 22 MAG from the original 22 Winchester rim fire (22 WRF)

Not exactly collector quality, but I've got a box of those. :)

22WRF.jpg

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