Lawdog Dago Dom Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Some good news for gun owners. Thanks to all who took the time to email BATF as well as there Congressmen/women. When they tried to ban the steel core 223 ammo, they got over 80,000 emails. The vast majority were NOT in favor of the ban. We must stay active and respond to issues like this to ensure our rights stay with us, and future generations. https://www.atf.gov/firearms/docs/general-notice/sb-criteria-withdrawal-notice-12-23-20pdf/download Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 They are postponing this until January 21st. Just wait for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 8 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: They are postponing this until January 21st. Just wait for it. Which means that we have to keep the pressure on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: They are postponing this until January 21st. Just wait for it. Biden's inauguration is January 20, 2021. Coincidence or not? You be the judge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Can someone please post a link to see the proposed reg? I’m unaware of it. Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Badlands Bob #61228 said: They are postponing this until January 21st. Just wait for it. Are they or is that your speculation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 11 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Can someone please post a link to see the proposed reg? I’m unaware of it. Thx! It was a guidance paper, not regulation. I did not read the 16pages. According to the gun websites, the paper said Sig braces would actually be a SBR and be an NFA tax stamp item. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Are they or is that your speculation? Regardless of the ATF’s timeline, Kamala said they’ll do it through executive order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 12 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: Can someone please post a link to see the proposed reg? I’m unaware of it. Thx! https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=ATF-2020-0001-0001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 37 minutes ago, sassnetguy50 said: Regardless of the ATF’s timeline, Kamala said they’ll do it through executive order. An executive order is not the law. Kamala Harris is not the president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lawdog Dago Dom Posted December 24, 2020 Author Share Posted December 24, 2020 Good video that summarizes this whole ordeal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 1 hour ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: An executive order is not the law. Kamala Harris is not the president. Would you like in on the lotto on how soon she will be president? It seems that Hillary was seen coming out of Kamala's house a couple nights ago.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Seriously? Let’s not turn this into a political conspiracy thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 It's just a matter of time before it happens. Those braces are stocks under an assumed name. You know it. I know it. The ATF knows it. Put a stock on a pistol that shoots rifle ammo and you have a SBR according to NFA'34. That means Fed registration and tax stamps- just like it has since '34. Folks with those pistols are relying on a 'policy' and 'interpretation' by current ATF bureaucrats for the gun's status. NFA'34 hasn't been changed- the ATF has just set a 'policy' that favors their ownership at the moment. And policies tend to change when there's a change in management. Considering that an 'interpretation' that the owners of the SBR wannabes isn't actual law, don't be surprised (or act butt-hurt) when somebody comes along and changes 'interpretations' or 'policies' and actually enforces the law that is on the books. It's gonna happen, the only question is when. Personally, I'd beat the rush- either go ahead put a normal stock on it and register it as an SBR or sell the thing before there's a glut on the market of the things and you can't give one away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 45 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Seriously? Let’s not turn this into a political conspiracy thread... It was a JOKE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 28 minutes ago, Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 said: It was a JOKE! Oh, okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Barleycorn, SASS #76982 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Christmas came early! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sixgun Sheridan Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 I agree that it's not over. ATF badly wants to ban the things but they can't without it looking like they're discriminating against disabled shooters, so they're between a rock and a hard place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sassnetguy50 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 4 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: An executive order is not the law. Kamala Harris is not the president. Biden said he’s going after AR platforms. Kamala was doing the interview I saw. If they make all AR platforms an NFA item, the ATF doesn’t have to separate the Sig brace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 Hello Choir, Today I am going to preach at you and tell you all kinds of things you already know. Okay, let’s begin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Business Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 It's all a dog and pony show. Anti gunners are after ammo and reloading components. So guns become expensive clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krazy Kajun Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 6 hours ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: An executive order is not the law. Kamala Harris is not the president. Not yet but just wait a few months, ole Slow Joe will trip over his dog and break a hip and they’ll put him down just like a lame horse. Kajun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 @Krazy Kajun nope, Joe will get 2 years, then Kamala steps in. That way she could try to run twice more, as someone can only serve 10 years as President. And Michelle will be her VP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trigger Mike Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 That is why I never bought the pistol version, too much left to who is running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raylan Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 The only reason the SBR is even in the NFA is because they originally intended to tax stamp and license all pistols like they did machine guns. The Democrats in congress balked at that to FDR saying it was a bridge too far and it would hurt their re-elections and they couldn't support it. So, they deleted the pistol language and didn't get around to bothering to delete the SBR language, which without the pistol tax and licensing made no earthly sense. As we all know the NFA was an attempt to practically ban all firearms for the common man except "sporting rifles and shotguns." The only thing in the whole NFA - which was at least arguable (though I think still wrong and in violation of the bill of rights) was that machine guns were at least mechanically different in function than non-machine guns and presented a threat to the public. Silencers, SBR, and the like were and are no great threat to the public. Just a load of crap. Let the FDA regulate Tobacco and Alcohol. Let DHS regulate explosives. And leave firearms alone. As per those that say well the ATF will ban them anyway or make them NFA items - yes they may try - but I think given todays climate they may find that they have wakened a bear that may result in them regretting that they did so - I forsee a huge growth in 2nd Amendment santuary counties and states. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 OK what is an SBR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 4 minutes ago, irish ike, SASS #43615 said: OK what is an SBR? Short Barreled Rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still hand Bill Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 51 minutes ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said: Short Barreled Rifle. A rifle (meaning a shoulder fired weapon with rifled barrel) with a barrel less than 16 or a total length less than 26”. Different than a pistol which is designed to be used single handed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillbilly Drifter Posted December 25, 2020 Share Posted December 25, 2020 I do not think that this is over. By not putting them under the NFA they are subject to banning in the same legislation as they intend to use for the AR15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 6 hours ago, Still hand Bill said: A rifle (meaning a shoulder fired weapon with rifled barrel) with a barrel less than 16 or a total length less than 26”. Different than a pistol which is designed to be used single handed. You mean like this guy or any of the 100's of other videos out there? Like I said, those 'braces' are stock in all but name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still hand Bill Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, Smuteye John SASS#24774 said: You mean like this guy or any of the 100's of other videos out there? Like I said, those 'braces' are stock in all but name. In most cases they are indeed just short stocks. Problem is, until recently it was hard to get a SBR tax stamp. Now it’s simply time consuming. I think average wait is about 11 months. It also comes with some legal responsibilities. If people were allowed to own sbr’s like in Canada there would be little use for a arm brace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted December 26, 2020 Share Posted December 26, 2020 7 hours ago, Still hand Bill said: In most cases they are indeed just short stocks. Problem is, until recently it was hard to get a SBR tax stamp. Now it’s simply time consuming. I think average wait is about 11 months. It also comes with some legal responsibilities. If people were allowed to own sbr’s like in Canada there would be little use for a arm brace. No, the problem is that the most recent ATF bureaucracy has allowed them to hit the market through 'policy' and 'interpretation ' rather than Congress making changes to the actual law. Now that there's different bureaucrats at ATF that are taking over, those 'policies' are going to change because they have a different 'interpretation' of NFA'34. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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