Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Back in the last powder crunch I purchased far to much of this and at "I want to shoot" prices. Before I got a good standardized load I was able to get powder that I liked better and at cheaper price. Yesterday I got into a little cleanup mood and discovered probably twenty pounds of this stored in reloading room. Container suggests using load data for Hodgdon Universal starting 10% below. Heck, right off, don't know anyone using it either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 I tend to ask George Baylor with questions like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 Is shows that it loads like tight group or alliant bullseye according to their website. Rafe https://fedarm.com/product/csb-1-pistol-powder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 5 hours ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: I tend to ask George Baylor with questions like this. I would normally ask Billy Boots. But considering he don't know, I'm really at a loss...... P.S. - 20# of powder would even make a good boat anchor. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Billy, CSB-1 is the Spanish powder that 3 fellas in Virginia were selling out of their office bathroom as ETR7. I drove down and bought 8 lbs. It has the same loading data as Titegroup. Have worked up several caliber’s loading data. IMO, it is excellent powder Wrong, not the same as Titegroup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I like ETR7 and wish I had more. But saying it is like titegroup is not accurate. I'll get back with you on what load I use for 38's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tully Mars Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Years ago Pecos Clyde turned me on to it. I haven't used it in a long time, but it worked great. I don't recall the load data I used for 38's, I believe it was similar to Clay's load data. Hopefully someone can verify a load for you. Tully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 11 hours ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: I would normally ask Billy Boots. But considering he don't know, I'm really at a loss...... P.S. - 20# of powder would even make a good boat anchor. ..........Widder If I only had a boat. Merry Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I had some Billy. Slick was selling a bunch of it at WR one year at a good price so picked up a few jars of it. Might still have one jar left. Seems like I put 3 gn in a 38. Fact is, I put about 3 gn of any fast powder in a 38 and move up or down a skootch if needed. That's a secret, don't tell anyone Snakebite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Billy, sent you a pm. I shoot it and have shot it for years. Johnny M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, Tully Mars said: Years ago Pecos Clyde turned me on to it. I haven't used it in a long time, but it worked great. I don't recall the load data I used for 38's, I believe it was similar to Clay's load data. Hopefully someone can verify a load for you. Tully Tully, Got to be good if Clyde used it. Containers mention Universal comparison but although I use Clays, never Universal Clays (assuming a slight difference). Yes to 38s but as I remember it took more for accuracy than my Titegroup or Clays load. My preference in a choice powder is that in obtaining accuracy I do not go over the felt recoil I am comfortable with as a duelist. As I remember I had to get over 4 grains of CSB-1 for satisfactory accuracy and felt recoil was a tad more than I desired. Again, as a duelist...Cattle Baron Duelist at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 7 minutes ago, Snakebite said: I had some Billy. Slick was selling a bunch of it at WR one year at a good price so picked up a few jars of it. Might still have one jar left. Seems like I put 3 gn in a 38. Fact is, I put about 3 gn of any fast powder in a 38 and move up or down a skootch if needed. That's a secret, don't tell anyone Snakebite I load 3.2 in my 38's with a 125 and 2.3 in my 32's with a 100. J.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 hours ago, John Boy said: Billy, CSB-1 is the Spanish powder that 3 fellas in Virginia were selling out of their office bathroom as ETR7. I drove down and bought 8 lbs. It has the same loading data as Titegroup. Have worked up several caliber’s loading data. IMO, it is excellent powder Yes and I believe company was Maxam and used in some of their Rio shotgun ammo. Didn't know about the Virginia connection nor the ETR7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, Snakebite said: I had some Billy. Slick was selling a bunch of it at WR one year at a good price so picked up a few jars of it. Might still have one jar left. Seems like I put 3 gn in a 38. Fact is, I put about 3 gn of any fast powder in a 38 and move up or down a skootch if needed. That's a secret, don't tell anyone Snakebite That is about what i like in the powder we like in CAS but as I remember CSB1 just needed more. I even use a little less than 3 with Clays but a tad more for Titegroup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 10 hours ago, Marauder SASS #13056 said: I like ETR7 and wish I had more. But saying it is like titegroup is not accurate. I'll get back with you on what load I use for 38's. M, Thanks, be interesting to know. I had never heard of ETR7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, Johnny Meadows,SASS#28485L said: Billy, sent you a pm. I shoot it and have shot it for years. Johnny M. Got it. Thanks. PMed you back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Quote Yes and I believe company was Maxam and used in some of their Rio shotgun ammo. Didn't know about the Virginia connection nor the ETR7. Maxam was the importer. The 3 fellas in Virginia had drums of CSB-1 in the office bathroom and were repackaging into plastic containers labeled ETR7. The containers had loading data printed on them with comparable calibers for US powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Marauder .. my error, corrected in post .... ETR7 is not comparable to Titegroup for 38 Spl ETR7 - 38 Spl ... 125gr bullet = 4.1gr Min 4.6gr Max Titegroup - 38 Spl .... 125gr bullet = 3.2gr Min 3.8gr Max Snakebite, on an 8# jug, there are additional caliber's loading data on the label on the back too ... ie 44 Rem, 45Auto and Shotgun In addition, I reload 45LC with ETR7: * 200gr=5.5gr * 243gr=6.4gr * 256gr=6.1gr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 I use 3.7 grains of ETR7 with 125 grain bullets in 38 Special. Nice soft recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snakebite Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 This is like when we would go to Arkansas and folks would come from all over the hill country in NW Arkansas and we would visit and eat all day long........ It' all Relative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 21, 2020 Author Share Posted December 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Snakebite said: This is like when we would go to Arkansas and folks would come from all over the hill country in NW Arkansas and we would visit and eat all day long........ It' all Relative! Good info. Thanks Snakebite. From my reading on a shotgun forum, John Boy is right about ETR7 and CSB-1 being equal or very, very close. Thus best figure to use Universal data rather than Titegroup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunger Dan Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 4 hours ago, John Boy said: Marauder .. my error, corrected in post .... ETR7 is not comparable to Titegroup for 38 Spl ETR7 - 38 Spl ... 125gr bullet = 4.1gr Min 4.6gr Max Titegroup - 38 Spl .... 125gr bullet = 3.2gr Min 3.8gr Max Snakebite, on an 8# jug, there are additional caliber's loading data on the label on the back too ... ie 44 Rem, 45Auto and Shotgun In addition, I reload 45LC with ETR7: * 200gr =5.5gr * 243gr=6.4gr * 256gr=6.1gr Im not the most experienced reloader here, by far, so that is why I am asking this question (plus, Ive had a lb of etr-7 for years now that I havnt used due to this confusion)...shouldnt the weight of powder needed decrease as the weight of the projectile increases? which is why Im wondering if your 5.5 gr is a misprint? On the hodgdon website it lists :Hodgdon Universal 0.452" 1.600" 6.4gr min to 8.8gr maximum for a 200gr cast LRNFP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Boy Posted December 22, 2020 Share Posted December 22, 2020 Dan, until I verify typo or what, deleting the 200 gr charge ... follow up below Dan, loaded five 200gr RNL rounds of the marked 5.5gr ETR7 in a Ruger 4 5/8 revolver. Average of 5 rounds was 840 fps using my MagnetoSport chronograph in the basement. Not a heavy recoil and the primers showed no abnormal ignition Must admit, you had me scratching my head because the rounds came out a box of 100 ETR7 is hotter than Titegroup in a 200gr RNL bullet with this data ... Titegroup 5.0 gr. 731 minimum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 On 12/20/2020 at 7:37 PM, Widder, SASS #59054 said: I would normally ask Billy Boots. But considering he don't know, I'm really at a loss...... P.S. - 20# of powder would even make a good boat anchor. ..........Widder Oh my...are you pickin' on my Billy Boots!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator Posted December 23, 2020 Author Share Posted December 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Singin' Sue 71615 said: Oh my...are you pickin' on my Billy Boots!!! I may have to get Red Knee to make him behave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singin' Sue 71615 Posted December 23, 2020 Share Posted December 23, 2020 Just now, Billy Boots, # 20282 LTG-Regulator said: I may have to get Red Knee to make him behave. Sure miss Red Knee!! See you and my beauty SASSY Boots next week? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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