Cholla Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I keeping getting my middle finger pounded firing my SxS. The trigger guard pounds it during recoil. Short of using reduced recoil reloads, what else can I do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 band-aid. I have some large caliber revolvers that I shoot some hefty loads. Either the band aid or a glove serves me well to help keep the trigger guard from busting against my middle finger knuckle. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Cholla, there was a similar thread not too long back, lots of input. When I started, my Baikal was bruising my middle finger, but at first I didn't realize it. I thought it was sore from the lever (no lever wrap) of my stiff Winchester 94. When I figured out it was the shotgun, I just consciously gripped it a bit further back. After a few matches it became natural and I didn't have to think about it. Shooting the same Baikal today. Not sure what your shotgun is, but it old it might need forcing cones lengthened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 56 minutes ago, Cholla said: I keeping getting my middle finger pounded firing my SxS. The trigger guard pounds it during recoil. Short of using reduced recoil reloads, what else can I do? Go to the hardware store and purchase a short length of rubber tubing. I believe 3/8 is the correct size. Remove the trigger guard screw and slide about an inch length of tubing on the rear of the trigger guard. This will keep you from beating your finger to death. (Yes, rubber tubing is legal. It is a natural material.) You will need to replace this once a year or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Quote Shotgun trigger guards may be wrapped with leather or other natural material. SHB p.35 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cumberland Mtn John SASS#40593 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Sometimes there is not enough room between the trigger in its pulled position and the trigger guard to put any wrap of any kind that would stop the problem. I've been there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 7 hours ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Cholla, there was a similar thread not too long back, lots of input. When I started, my Baikal was bruising my middle finger, but at first I didn't realize it. I thought it was sore from the lever (no lever wrap) of my stiff Winchester 94. When I figured out it was the shotgun, I just consciously gripped it a bit further back. After a few matches it became natural and I didn't have to think about it. Shooting the same Baikal today. Not sure what your shotgun is, but it old it might need forcing cones lengthened. Right now I'm shooting a Baikal because I'm waiting for my CZ Hammer Coach to come back from Johnny Meadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Do a search for Shotgun trigger guard cushion - Beretta and several other companies offer what you might want to consider. STL Suomi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKFOOT SASS #11947 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 There are several things that help with the problem. Try to find some shells that are listed as under 1200fps velocity. Some around 1000 fps if possible. Loads around 1 ounce or 7/8 ounce (even less) work fine in our game. Another is to midify the stock to English style, (straight stock). The pistol grip type stock crowds the shooters hand up against the back of the trigger guard. Also, padding on the trigger guard will help some. Blackfoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Cholla said: Short of using reduced recoil reloads, what else can I do? Why are you avoiding reduced recoil loads? Most of us use light loads. A sore finger is the price you pay for being macho!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TN Mongo, SASS #61450 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 A simple temporary solution may be to wrap a piece of athletic tape around your finger on the spot that's getting hit. You can tear a standard roll of athletic tape to the width you need. If necessary, you could add a small moleskin to the exact spot and then wrap tape around it. Several of our really fast shooters tape their trigger fingers because they have stuck triggers through their fingers. The other solution, as other have suggested, is to pad the part of the trigger guard that is hitting your finger. Some suede leather would work well. If you don't have any on hand, Hobby Lobby carries small pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 hours ago, St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 said: Do a search for Shotgun trigger guard cushion - Beretta and several other companies offer what you might want to consider. STL Suomi Most of these are ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 2 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Why are you avoiding reduced recoil loads? Most of us use light loads. My thought as well. Enquiring minds want to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 5 hours ago, St. Louis Suomi SASS #31905 said: Do a search for Shotgun trigger guard cushion - Beretta and several other companies offer what you might want to consider. 13 minutes ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: Most of these are ILLEGAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is an example of one that is ILLEGAL (confirmed by the ROC as such) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Lighter loads and a tighter grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 Train yourself - go buy a box of Dove hunting loads. Get to a range & casually go through the box. Take your time & consciously pay attention to your grip. I'll bet by the time you get done - your afflicted finger will be nowhere near the trigger guard any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chancy Shot, SASS #67163 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I am using a Baikal also. Same problem starting out. I started using the rear trigger first, then the front. It caused me to grip a little farther back. After a couple of matches, it seemed was an unconscious movement (muscle memory). Then I switched to BP which is much softer(see profile picture). Now I am not sure which trigger I use first and I don't care. Chancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Why are you avoiding reduced recoil loads? Most of us use light loads. A sore finger is the price you pay for being macho!! Mainly because I just got my reloading bench set up again after our move. I used to shoot Estate and Remington Gun Club 1 oz loads but lately they seem to hit harder. I normally shoot a CZ Hammer Coach but it's being souped up. Maybe the trigger guard is different on it. I grabbed all the AA hulls that people didn't want yesterday after the match so now I have a bunch to reload. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Cholla said: Mainly because I just got my reloading bench set up again after our move. I used to shoot Estate and Remington Gun Club 1 oz loads but lately they seem to hit harder. I normally shoot a CZ Hammer Coach but it's being souped up. Maybe the trigger guard is different on it. I grabbed all the AA hulls that people didn't want yesterday after the match so now I have a bunch to reload. It is a common problem with Baikal double guns. The trigger guard and stock are too close together. Changing your grip may help till you forget. Once the finger is bruised then even the slightest touch will be uncomfortable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: It is a common problem with Baikal double guns. The trigger guard and stock are too close together. Changing your grip may help till you forget. Once the finger is bruised then even the slightest touch will be uncomfortable. You're preaching to the choir my friend. I'm still sore and swollen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 47 minutes ago, Cholla said: You're preaching to the choir my friend. I'm still sore and swollen. That is why I gave you the instructions to install a piece of tubing on the trigger guard. 50 cents worth of tubing and a smile on your face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Ace_of_Hearts said: That is why I gave you the instructions to install a piece of tubing on the trigger guard. 50 cents worth of tubing and a smile on your face. I will check after work. I need to figure out which tubing is natural and which is un-natural. And see if it will fit behind the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 16, 2020 Author Share Posted November 16, 2020 I stopped in at Walgreens and found some "tubing" that claims to be all natural latex. It's sold by a company by the name of Trojan. It does claim to be for protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I have cut, reshaped, rewelded and refinished several trigger guards to solve this issue .... Jabez Cowboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingSnake Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 40 minutes ago, Jabez Cowboy,SASS # 50129 said: I have cut, reshaped, rewelded and refinished several trigger guards to solve this issue .... Jabez Cowboy I think this is the best answer. I have a Baikal single trigger that I hate shooting. It's strictly a backup gun. I just now compared it to my SKB and found the trigger to back of trigger guard is 1/2 inch longer on the Baikal. No wonder it hurts my hand. Reshaping the trigger guard is now on my to do list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted November 16, 2020 Share Posted November 16, 2020 I have this problem with my Miroku SxS... smashing hell out of my middle finger, even with AA Featherlites. My solution is using the middle finger on the triggers instead my index finger. I take the SxS to my weekly trap shoot and run a round just with that gun. My buds are amenable to me doing SASS-style double loads for practice. They are also amenable to my loading 5 at a time into my 870 pump, so I will have plenty of muscle-memory practice when the time comes to need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bladesmith Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 You might try one of those silicone wedding rings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOLFY Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 if its a stoeger, it’ll be tight but still work. i wrapped the back of my trigger guard with thin leather lacing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnmbozeman Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 I shoot a Baikal - Simple solution - I use flesh colored 1” athletic tape. Two wraps around the finger. A roll lasts two years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrison Joe, SASS #60708 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Shot Baikal 2 trigger guns for several years. Light loads. Firm grip on pistol grip. TIGHT mount of butt pad to shoulder. Check that length of pull is long enough for your body configuration. Goodluck, GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Eeyour Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Check at your local farm store for Vets Tape. It is used to wrap horses ankles, Get black. As mentioned above grip the gun tighter so your hand moves back with the recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keystone, SASS # 47578 Posted November 18, 2020 Share Posted November 18, 2020 Rawhide lacing (not shoestrings) works well or sinew. Check the trigger clearance with the trigger guard and begin/end wrapping to maintain full pull of trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomstick Bruce Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 I had the same problem with my single trigger Baikal. That and the tip of the trigger was so sharp it poked a hole in my finger. I smoothed out the tip of the trigger and solved that problem but ended up selling the shotgun because I just didn't like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 11/15/2020 at 10:18 PM, PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L said: SHB p.35 I have not hit the hardware store yet but I have been looking online. From everything I'm seeing latex surgical tubing is considered natural rubber. Is that acceptable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kloehr Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 Latex was first used as early as 1600 BC. Charles Goodyear got a patent for vulcanizing latex in the mid 1800s. Latex was used to waterproof raincoats starting in 1823 (an earlier patent). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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