Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 When shooting a match, do you prefer to shoot only one stage per Bay before moving to next stage, or do you like to shoot two stages per Bay before moving? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yul Lose Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 My preference is a bay per stage but unfortunately some clubs don’t have access to anymore bays and have to double or triple up. In the hot months they double up to cut down on the exertion in the heat for us older folks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 If we set up six stages, we'd have to get real skimpy on targets. I once proposed we shoot three stages on two bays. We have a common firing line so by setting up two locations, they could be further apart - thus less chance of lead splatter. I was unsuccessful with my proposal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Griff Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 I've shot several times at clubs that had limited shooting bays... always used the same target arrays, but written so that the scenarios were very different. No excess labor changing targets arrays between "stages", but different enough to be distinct and separate stages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc roy l. pain Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 10 minutes ago, Griff said: I've shot several times at clubs that had limited shooting bays... always used the same target arrays, but written so that the scenarios were very different. No excess labor changing targets arrays between "stages", but different enough to be distinct and separate stages. I don’t find myself saying this often, but I agree with Griff lol. For small local shoots where all the work is put on a few, I see no problem with running two stages on the same bay. Easy enough to go down range and take down a couple pieces of steel and run a totally different scenario than the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 Depends on the facility I'm shooting at. We've gone to shooting 5 stages on 3 stage set-ups. Easier to set up and easier to take down. We also have access to a covered area in case of rain. We can set up three stages at that covered location, so it all works out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Jorge Posted November 9, 2020 Share Posted November 9, 2020 We shot five stages in one bay yesterday. There was a little target movement required after some stages, but no one seemed to mind. Clean up was quick. Tough to get very many cowboys to help with set up, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The Southern Missouri Rangers usually shoot one scenario per stage. At the Missouri State Blackpowder Championship in September we shot two scenarios per stage. Most folks had no problem. I came to the sixth stage and started shooting the fifth stage all over again! Can you say P??!! It was especially embarrassing because I wrote the stages for that match! Shooting more than one scenario per stage shouldn’t be a problem unless you are a senile old fart like me!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 It really depends on the match. For a monthly I have absolutely no problem shooting two or three stages per bay. But for an annual or above I prefer one stage per bay. I like variety. If I'm going to pay the extra $$$ for a bigger match I'd like to get as much of that variety as I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Wilson Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 The Whiskey Row Gunslingers use 3 bays at our monthly shoot and we shoot 2 stages per bay. The newest club in our area, The Granite Mountain Outlaws, only have 2 bays at our disposal and we are shooting 3 stages per bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Possum Skinner, SASS#60697 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 49 minutes ago, Shooting Bull said: It really depends on the match. For a monthly I have absolutely no problem shooting two or three stages per bay. But for an annual or above I prefer one stage per bay. I like variety. If I'm going to pay the extra $$$ for a bigger match I'd like to get as much of that variety as I can. This Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 As I've become more "seasoned." The less travel time and distance between stages, the better I like it. It's also much easier on the Club Crew. I helped pioneer shooting multiple stages per bay in my area. Most all really like it. Makes the day much less tiring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Two stages per bay is normal around here. Also normal is four stages with some movement, one stand&deliver and one dandy (more than average complexity and movement). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I prefer a "town" with one stage per building. But now that I have moved to AZ the three clubs I have shot with do two or three stages per bay with no "town". But, none of them own the property and the range is available to other disciplines the other 29 days a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Well written stages that utilize differing sequences and varied movements can be perfectly acceptable having multiple stages shot on the exact same steel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 We have wide bays at Wagram which helps with variety. Sandhills Slim does the the stages and pulls the steel with extra steel and stands staged close to the firing line. Generally, we have one posse of around 15 people. We will shoot a couple of stages, shuffle, a couple more, shuffle, and finish. If you looked at the stages on paper, sometimes you'd never know that it was all done on one berm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 12 hours ago, Shooting Bull said: It really depends on the match. For a monthly I have absolutely no problem shooting two or three stages per bay. But for an annual or above I prefer one stage per bay. I like variety. If I'm going to pay the extra $$$ for a bigger match I'd like to get as much of that variety as I can. This! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 13 hours ago, Shooting Bull said: It really depends on the match. For a monthly I have absolutely no problem shooting two or three stages per bay. But for an annual or above I prefer one stage per bay. I like variety. If I'm going to pay the extra $$$ for a bigger match I'd like to get as much of that variety as I can. This will work if you volunteer to help pull all the steel, stands and props to make it work. I don't worry about it. I've got too many bent body parts to worry about so my help is limited on setup and breakdown. Whatever they set up, I'll shoot and not complain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooting Bull Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 3 hours ago, Null N. Void said: This will work if you volunteer to help pull all the steel, stands and props to make it work. I was thinking more of out of state matches. I travel to SoCal as much as possible to shoot in big matches such as Gunfight Behind the Jersey Lilly or the CA State Championship. I'm also thinking of matches such as Winter Range. I'm not able go help set up these matches. I love the people at all these matches so would still attend them no matter what. But the matches themselves wouldn't be nearly as fun for me if they were shot in a limited number of bays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hollifer A. Dollar Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I set up 2 monthly matches here in NW Florida - Red Hills Rangers & Panhandle Cattle Company. During the summer, we only set up 1 (RHR) or 2 (PCC) bays because setup work is damn hard on me! When things cool off, at PCC we do 3 bays (our range only has the 3 bays). At RHR, we set up 2 & sometimes 3 bays, but have shot all 6 in 1 bay if it rains. When we first started shooting at RHR, we would set up 6 separate bays. After a match one of our shooters said "That's too dang much walking between stages!" I took that comment to heart & cut way back on the walking. Our shooters appreciate not having to travel a long way between bays. It also makes teardown go 2 to 3 times faster. Holler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attica Jack #23953 Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Doesn't really matter to me. At the club I belong to, there was only 3 of us setting up 5 stages........lots of heavy targets and work, we finally went to only setting up 3 stages and change them around to shoot 5 stages. On a state match I would want 10 stages set up in their own bays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totes Magoats Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 I guess we are pretty lucky here in Texas with most clubs having a dedicated 'town' to shoot in. I sure like the variation. Totes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Dog Doug Posted November 10, 2020 Share Posted November 10, 2020 Make me feel so lucky we have 5 stages and 10 targets for each plus a teeter totter ,2 plate racks inline and side by side 20 shotgun knock down , 2 popper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I definitely prefer 6 separate stages preferably with a town like atmosphere like a bank, saloon, jail etc. There are a few clubs that just cannot do that and that's okay I still shoot there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 13 minutes ago, Rye Miles #13621 said: I definitely prefer 6 separate stages preferably with a town like atmosphere like a bank, saloon, jail etc. There are a few clubs that just cannot do that and that's okay I still shoot there. There are a lot more than A FEW. I believe most clubs shoot on what would be considered a "shared" range and must contend with a limited amount of space and not being able to leave targets/props set up. We have access to 4 bays each month (We use 3 of them) and shoot 6 scenarios. Two on each of 3 bays. And we shoot both Saturday and Sunday once each month. For Best Shoot by a Dam Site we have access to 5 bays and shoot 10 stages over two days with minimal target relocation. For The Nevada State shoot (Eldorado) we have access to 12 bays, the long range area and use the trap range for cowboy trap. We consider ourselves very fortunate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Chance Morgun Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Everyone has made very good points. I don't have a problem shooting more than one stage per bay. I pretty much forget the shooting order once the stage is over, so the same target set up isn't a problem for me. Plus it's less set up and tear down. Our last shoot was 6 bays, 13 shooters and 2 non-shooters. A lot of work tearing it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeb Stuart #65654 Posted November 11, 2020 Author Share Posted November 11, 2020 Our club, the Blackhorse shootists host the Montana SASS state championship. We have 6 bays to use to put on a 12 stage match. So we can shoot 6 one day and then re-set for the second day or just shoot 2 per stage. May initial question was not how does your club do it, the question is what do you prefer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farmer Brown Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 If done well, I have no preference. Family and I shot this years Montana State and had no complaints, and had a great time. Just shot a somewhat local match were they used 4 bays to do 6 stages. If the targets are set right to shoot 2 very different stages, no issues here. Once was at a match were you felt like you almost shot each stage twice, but they were different enough that the shooter was likely to P (and a lot did), not fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go West Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Two stages per bay is typical in Southern AZ for a monthly match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 Their are two ways to do two stages per bay. Option one is just shoot at the same targets in a different order. Option two is have enough targets set up to have two different sets of things to shoot at. I prefer option two, when it can be done. But if it has to be option one, I accept. Ultimately I prefer 1 stage per bay, but I recognize that sometimes realities at the club may dictate otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diamond Jake Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 If the temperature is above 90 degrees I'd prefer two stages per bay. Anything cooler I'd prefer a single stage per bay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackwater 53393 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 I prefer targets and a place to shoot at them!! The rest is up to the folks that put on the match to challenge and entertain the participants. If that is done, I’ll be happy!! And if I can help with scenarios or target setting or whatever, just ask! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted November 11, 2020 Share Posted November 11, 2020 ...................R R R R R S S S S...........................................S S .....................................P P P P P ...............E.............................T ............L....................................A .......B..............................................B ...A......................................................L T..............................................................E You can EASILY shoot an entire match on one bay if you think it out and set the steel/ tables accordingly. Utilizing the setup above. (Please forgive all the periods - it was the only way to keep my spacing) Stage 1. RH SG targets are not used. 10-10-4+ Rifle/ SG staged safely on left angled table. Shooter begins centered on and facing pistol targets - hands on hat. At BEEP: With pistols - Doubletap sweep pistol targets from either end. Move to left table. With rifle - doubletap sweep rifle targets from either end. Maje rifle safe. With SG - Engage SG targets - any order. Make SG safe. Stage 2. RH pistol targets not used. 10-10-6+ Rifle staged on Left angled table SG staged on Right angled table Shooter begins at Right angled table thumbs tucked in belt. At BEEP: With SG- Engage RH SG targets - any order. Move to LH angled table - engage LH SG targets - any order. Make SG safe for downrange movement (on table - muzzle safely pointed) With Rifle - Engage rifle targets in a Pikes Peak sweep from either end. (T1-1x, T2-2x, T3-4x, T4-2x, T5-1x) Make rifle safe for downrange movement. Move downrange - engage R targets with pistols in a Pikes Peak sweep. Prior to stage 3 - remove a single plate from the R and P arrays. Stage 3. 10-10-4+ SG staged on LH angled table Shooter begins at LH angled table with rifle in hands. At BEEP: Engage rifle targets in a Progressive sweep (T1-1x, T2-2x, T3-3x, T4-4x). Make rifle safe. With SG - Engage any TWO LH SG targets - any order - then move to RH angled table - engage RH SG targets - any order. Make SG safe. With pistols - Engage pistol targets in a Progressive sweep. Stage 4. 10-10-4+ Rifle staged on LH angled table SG staged on RH angled table Shooter begins centered and facing pistol targets - hand(s) on pistol(s). At BEEP: Engage pistol targets in a continuous Nevada sweep starting on either end. With SG - Engage RH SG targets - any order. Move to LH table - make SG safe. With Rifle - Engage rifle targets in a continuous Nevada sweep starting on either end. Make rifle safe. With SG - Engage any TWO LH SG targets - any order. If shooter had any misses - shooter MAY engage remaining LH SG targets to erase up to TWO misses. Make SG safe. Prior to Stage 5 - remove a single target from the rifle and pistol target arrays. Stage 5. 10-10-2+ Rifle staged on LH table SG staged on EITHER table Shooters choice of gun order and starting position - SASS default body position. Pistols may be shot back to back or split. At BEEP: With SG - Engage ANY TWO SG targets. Make SG safe for downrange movement. With rifle - Engage rifle targets as follows: Middle target 3x - Either outside target 1x - Other outside target 1x - repeat instruction. With first 5 rounds from Pistols - Engage pistol targets as follows: Middle target 3x - either outside target 1x - other outside target 1x. With second 5 rounds from pistols - move downrange and engage rifle targets in same instructions. Stage 6. 10-10-4+. RH SG targets not used this stage. Rifle staged on LH table Shooter begins at LH table with SG in hands. At BEEP: Engage LH SG targets - any order. Make SG safe. With Rifle - Engage rifle targets in a round count sequence. Any target 5x - then any other target 4x - then remaining target 1x. Make rifle safe. Move to RH table. With pistols - Engage pistol targets in a round count sequence reverse of rifle. Any target 1x - then any other target 4x - then remaining target 5x. That's 6 (imo) pretty good stages with left, right and downrange movements - varied gun orders - 2,4 and 6 shotgun - varied sequences - split pistol - split shotgun. While only utilizing a single bay, 10 plates, 6 sg targets and two tables. While I would always prefer to have enough shooters that the above is not possible to pull off - there are smaller clubs with single posses that fade away because of the amount of work they believe is required to set the match. There is absolutely no requirement to set 6 bays of steel to put on a interesting and fun match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Rainmaker, SASS #11631 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 I prefer a different bay for every stage. But, of course, I write the stages and it gives me more flexibility. BUT... I can't make it for set up and I don't abuse my set up guys so we shoot 6 on 3 (2 stages on each bay) I do get to go hog wild at our annual and have eight separate stages... but not this year. Damn virus! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rye Miles #13621 Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 On 11/10/2020 at 8:58 PM, Ace_of_Hearts said: There are a lot more than A FEW. I believe most clubs shoot on what would be considered a "shared" range and must contend with a limited amount of space and not being able to leave targets/props set up. We have access to 4 bays each month (We use 3 of them) and shoot 6 scenarios. Two on each of 3 bays. And we shoot both Saturday and Sunday once each month. For Best Shoot by a Dam Site we have access to 5 bays and shoot 10 stages over two days with minimal target relocation. For The Nevada State shoot (Eldorado) we have access to 12 bays, the long range area and use the trap range for cowboy trap. We consider ourselves very fortunate! There's 5 shoots here within 2 hours or less and two of them can't have building etc. The other three all have towns that are awesome! There's also some here in Ohio that are a longer drive and most have buildings or at least a partial town. Ohio is the Wild Wild Midwest! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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