Owning vs Possessing an Illegal Gun

[bgavin 1,470]

Here in the PRK of California, many guns are illegal.

Question:  are they illegal to "own" or illegal to "possess?"

For example, I own an AR-999 with attached RPG.
Assume this gun is permanently out of California.
I still "own" the gun but do not "possess" the gun.

Edited November 6, 2020 by bgavin

[Perro Del Diablo 3,244]

I’m no expert and I didn’t sleep at holiday inn but if said gun is legal to own in US and state it I physically in I would say not problem.

[Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L 2,030]

If I recall correctly, one of the options available to CA residents that own "banned" firearms was to relocate them out of state. There were businesses in NV that would safely store such firearms for CA residents for a fee. 

[bgavin 1,470]

The only semi that I own is a Remington V3 for trap.
Some fool in CA will no doubt eventually make this into an "assault" weapon.

I have access to secure storage in NV, if need be.

[Sixgun Sheridan 4,170]

Well, a Marlin 60 .22 is now considered an assault weapon here in WA. If the antis in Olympia push through a complete ban next year we won't be allowed to own ANYTHING semi-auto.

[Utah Bob #35998 15,411]

The state of California has no jurisdiction over what you own in another state.

[Sixgun Sheridan 4,170]

53 minutes ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

The state of California has no jurisdiction over what you own in another state.

 

You can bet they'll change that if they get the chance. They'll come up with some creative language stating that a CA resident who owns an assault weapon in another state is in "constructive possession" of it because all they have to do is go drive out of state and pick it up.

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Edited November 6, 2020 by Sixgun Sheridan

[Blackwater 53393 5,499]

And the state of California wants to tax residents for moving out of state???

[J.D. Daily 314]

3 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

 

You can bet they'll change that if they get the chance.

If they do the states' taxpayers will will be paying plaintiff's attorney's fees when they loose in the 9th Circus.  States don't have power to regulate a resident's activity outside the state.

[Sixgun Sheridan 4,170]

22 minutes ago, J.D. Daily said:

If they do the states' taxpayers will will be paying plaintiff's attorney's fees when they loose in the 9th Circus.  States don't have power to regulate a resident's activity outside the state.

 

You know that and I know that, but since when have the Dems and anti-gunners followed the rules?

[The Original Lumpy Gritz 7,203]

OP, possession of such is the crime within PRK.

Nut'n can be done if it's out of state.

OLG 

[The Original Lumpy Gritz 7,203]

1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said:

The state of California has no jurisdiction over what you own in another state.

Just had to remind CA, DMV of such because they think they do......

[Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 834]

Possession is the usual issue re firearms statutes. Especially since that overcomes the argument: "I didn't own it, I just possessed it"!

[J.D. Daily 314]

32 minutes ago, Sixgun Sheridan said:

 

You know that and I know that, but since when have the Dems and anti-gunners followed the rules?

You're right many dem pols don't bother with following the advise of their attorneys especially as long as Nanny Bloomberg provides defence attorneys & the plaintiffs attorneys' fee when they loose.

[Tom Bullweed 422]

It depends on the what the meaning of "is" is......

[watab kid 979]

1 hour ago, Tom Bullweed said:

It depends on the what the meaning of "is" is......

aint that the truth - where did i leave that cigar i was smokin ? 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 5,515]

This reminds me of Daniel Richards, the California Fish and Game Commissioner who killed a mountain lion in Idaho several years ago.

 

Mountain lions are quite legal to hunt in Idaho; they are protected in California.  The California legislature pretty much crucified the guy.

 

By the way ~ the kitties are now considered "endangered" and "imperiled" in the state.  Interesting... Emperor Newsom's dad, Bill, pushed Proposition 117 some thirty years ago to ban and protect the poor li'l cats.  Reports are that more lions are killed in the state today by ranchers protecting livestock than were ever taken by hunters.

 

And California is now pressuring other states to ban lead ammunition... 'cuz their legislators are SO wise, don'tcha know.  

 

*Grump*   

 

Reference

[bgavin 1,470]

AB3071 in California seeks to ban *ALL* lead ammunition, everywhere.
No more trap, skeet, plinking...

There is a similar bill in NY state as well.

[Rooster Ron Wayne 1,464]

By the looks of things all guns might become illegal to own under this new Administration. 

 

(A Sad Year for America For Sure !)

 

We are the laughing stock of the World .

So saith the Rooster 

[Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 5,515]

4 hours ago, bgavin said:

AB3071 in California seeks to ban *ALL* lead ammunition, everywhere.
No more trap, skeet, plinking...

There is a similar bill in NY state as well.

 

This failed last time it was attempted.

 

I seriously doubt it will fail again... the party in this state that wants it has a total lock on the legislature and administration.  

 

Personally, I find their need to control something of which they have little understanding or interest to be as obscene as it is astonishing.

[watab kid 979]

why on earth would one state think they have the right to tell another state what to do ? OH yes , its because libs think themselves so superior to their fellow men , think thats actually un-constitutional or did i misread that first part ? they always want to censor others free speech - maybe we should do the same to their thinking , 

 

 

[MizPete 1,259]

On 11/6/2020 at 5:26 PM, Blackwater 53393 said:

And the state of California wants to tax residents for moving out of state???

'Splain this to me.  Last I heard, taxation only happens while you're IN the state.  Do we make special rules for California?

Edited November 11, 2020 by MizPete

[Injun Ryder, SASS #36201L 2,030]

10 minutes ago, MizPete said:

'Splain this to me.  Last I heard, taxation only happens while you're IN the state.  Do we make special rules for California?

 

CA dem thinking. Akin to "holding for ransom"!

[Ramblin Gambler 1,316]

On 11/10/2020 at 9:23 PM, MizPete said:

'Splain this to me.  Last I heard, taxation only happens while you're IN the state.  Do we make special rules for California?

 

Back taxes.  They could theoretically set it up so that you were getting a discount on your taxes for being a resident for the next 10 years.  So anytime you move out you have to pay back those discounts from the last 10 years.  That's basically how they do it in Texas when you lose your ag exemption (at least they did back when I was first looking for a house, that penalty passed on to the new owner in that case). 

 

I've heard New York does something to penalize people who move away too.  But I think their method is something along the lines of assuming you're still working in NY for part of the year and billing you.  Then it's up to you to prove you weren't. Rush Limbaugh talked about that back when he made the move to Florida. 

Edited November 15, 2020 by Ramblin Gambler