H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 In my opinion, this is a true masterpiece... And this is just a pale reflection of it. Do you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Yup Glad it is a Western, but I prefer the original, even with Glenn Campbell's rather poor acting. Glenn was a great musician, but not an actor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 Agreed!! Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patagonia Pete Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I think the John Wayne version is more entertaining ... just could never get into Kim Darby in that movie ... ... OTOH ... The Jeff Bridges version (IMHO) is flatter .. but comes off as more realistic. I't's kinda cool that the "real" last name of the person playing "Ned Pepper" (in the Bridges version) ... is also "Pepper". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colonel Kraken Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 When the remake came out I expected to hate it, instead I was impressed with the realism and the fact that they stayed true to the book and the original movie. Having said that I find the first film much more entertaining. I think both are well done. The book is also excellent and a quick read. Both movies stayed as true to the book as any movie can. Not to shatter anyone's illusions but here's a pic from the filming of the second film that popped up in my Facebook feed a few days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loophole LaRue, SASS #51438 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 11 minutes ago, Colonel Kraken said: When the remake came out I expected to hate it, instead I was impressed with the realism and the fact that they stayed true to the book and the original movie. Having said that I find the first film much more entertaining. I think both are well done. The book is also excellent and a quick read. Both movies stayed as true to the book as any movie can. Not to shatter anyone's illusions but here's a pic from the filming of the second film that popped up in my Facebook feed a few days ago. Does the ASPCA know what they did to that horse? LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 For me, the book, Jeff Bridges, John Wayne. Better acting and closer to the book in the Bridges version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creeker, SASS #43022 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I know this is heresy. But the remake was simply better in every aspect; from the acting to being faithful to the book. A girl (or at minimum, a young appearing actress) played the girl instead of an adult. An actor played the Ranger instead of a musician. And an actor played Rooster Cogburn instead of John Wayne playing John Wayne. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yusta B. Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 In my opinion - one of, if not THE best remake ever ..... I refuse to chose between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: I know this is heresy. But the remake was simply better in every aspect; from the acting to being faithful to the book. A girl (or at minimum, a young appearing actress) played the girl instead of an adult. An actor played the Ranger instead of a musician. And an actor played Rooster Cogburn instead of John Wayne playing John Wayne. I agree with all of that except, John Wayne defined what Rooster Cogburn was, at least for me, so JW playing JW was just fine as far as I was concerned. Both versions were worth watching for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I was going to say John Wayne, pulled out his John Wayne cowboy role so nothing exceptional. He is still one of the greatest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Slim SASS #24733 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 The original is a good film, relatively realistic, but still fun to watch. The second was more realistic, maybe exceptionally so, but it was a dark movie. I have watched the original at least 5 times, but have never re-watched the remake, even though I own the disk. Maybe I should and I will like it better than the first time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted November 5, 2020 Share Posted November 5, 2020 I think that Wayne's performance was more then just being the typical John Wayne cowboy. Cambell was terrible. Really enjoy both movies. The way Damon, as the ranger would say something in a bragging manner, then look away waiting for a response cracked me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 i likeed both for what they are and when they were made , much as i like the magnificent seven in its versions for each , some remakes dont hold me but westerns normally do if any attempt was made to get it right --i wont abide a bunch of political overtiones or social justice preachin , i have always liked john wayne but he was better in this and a couple others than the coockie cutters of that career - will always tune in if he is playing tho , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 10 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: I think that Wayne's performance was more then just being the typical John Wayne cowboy... 1 hour ago, watab kid said: ...i have always liked john wayne but he was better in this and a couple others than the coockie cutters of that career... I really enjoyed the sequel, but I think John Wayne's performance was one of his very best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 I love John Wayne, but the remake is a better movie. Kim Darby and Glen Campbell were pretty bad in the original and the look of the film was nowhere near as good as the remake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 i actually liked the setting of the original very much - maybe it was the photography improvements ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted November 6, 2020 Author Share Posted November 6, 2020 I'm actually surprised by how opinion seems to be in favor of the remake. I just find it to be incredibly flat and wooden. The worst offence, to me, is the utterly emotionless way the remake delivers the "Fill your hand..." line. And is there anything more powerful than seeing John Wayne sitting on his horse and spin cocking his Winchester? You see that happen and it's "Oh $#!%. They're all gonna die..." In the remake, he's just sorta sitting there unemotionally. To me, the remake fails on so many levels. This scene is just the most obvious place. There's no power to it. No thrill. It just... is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 20 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: I know this is heresy. But the remake was simply better in every aspect; from the acting to being faithful to the book. A girl (or at minimum, a young appearing actress) played the girl instead of an adult. An actor played the Ranger instead of a musician. And an actor played Rooster Cogburn instead of John Wayne playing John Wayne. Creeker you take that back! It was not just John Wayne playing himself! Goodness that was the greatest show of acting ever witnessed, he wore an eye patch! JW could do no wrong! Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 21 hours ago, Colonel Kraken said: When the remake came out I expected to hate it, instead I was impressed with the realism and the fact that they stayed true to the book and the original movie. Having said that I find the first film much more entertaining. I think both are well done. The book is also excellent and a quick read. Both movies stayed as true to the book as any movie can. Not to shatter anyone's illusions but here's a pic from the filming of the second film that popped up in my Facebook feed a few days ago. Awww... How sweet that they gave the acting job to a disabled horse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 21 hours ago, Creeker, SASS #43022 said: I know this is heresy. But the remake was simply better in every aspect; from the acting to being faithful to the book. A girl (or at minimum, a young appearing actress) played the girl instead of an adult. An actor played the Ranger instead of a musician. And an actor played Rooster Cogburn instead of John Wayne playing John Wayne. Pretty much captures my take. I feel like it’s disrespecting The Duke, but I liked the second one better in every way. And the musical score should have won an Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. C.J. Sabre, SASS #46770 Posted November 6, 2020 Share Posted November 6, 2020 9 hours ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I'm actually surprised by how opinion seems to be in favor of the remake. I just find it to be incredibly flat and wooden. The worst offence, to me, is the utterly emotionless way the remake delivers the "Fill your hand..." line. And is there anything more powerful than seeing John Wayne sitting on his horse and spin cocking his Winchester? You see that happen and it's "Oh $#!%. They're all gonna die..." In the remake, he's just sorta sitting there unemotionally. To me, the remake fails on so many levels. This scene is just the most obvious place. There's no power to it. No thrill. It just... is. Agreed! I like Jeff Bridges, but when he said the "Fill your hand..." line, he might as well have been saying "Your mother wears combat boots." When the Duke says it, it sends chills down my spine every time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Bullweed Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Read the book before I saw the recent version. Mattie was the focus of the story and had True Grit. I enjoy the Duke Wayne movie just as well, but it is similar, not the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I liked them both. They each have a quality of their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 It was one of John Wayne's greatest roles. Like more than one actor, he became even better in advancing age than he was in his so-called 'prime'. Another example is The Shootist. All of the maturity of age and judgment is there, and in the case of True Grit, his perfect ease and perfection in the role. But the first movie is seriously flawed, with Kim Darby especially, as well as Glen Campbell. And, even more than that, the happy sentimental ending, which seemed to be the thing in Hollywood at the time. Matty Ross just has a bandage on her arm, all is well, and surely she'll come by and see Rooster in due course. It wasn't that the second movie was darker, but that it was truer to the book, which was darker. The scene at the dugout cabin, for example, was way better-- very harrowing. I don't think of the Coen Bros movie as a 'remake' in the sense we usually think of-- a remake of a famous movie. It was another film of the book, not of the first movie. True Grit is its own screenplay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog McCoy SASS #5672 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Never read the book. Liked the John Wayne version, not the remake or as it was called a different film based on the book. I thought Glen Campbell did a good job, however when I was young and saw the movie, I think Glen Campbell had a tv show (1969 to 1972) and I liked it. I would watch the John Wayne version anytime it was on, saw the other one once and it was enough for me. I have the remake on DVD , bought it on the clearance rack at the local video store.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie MacNeil, SASS #48580 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 And Hailey Seinfeld was a much better Mattie Ross IMHO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slowhand Bob, 24229 Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 Plus one more for the remake. Also have both on DVD but seem to wait many decades between viewings and, even then, it is almost always the Bridges version. Early on I was not a big fan of Bridges but that has changed as he has aged into a danged good cowboy style actor. It would almost seem that he is even at a point that he is now playing Jeff Bridges as a part, anyone see the comedy where he plays the angel of an old dead cowboy sheriff?? I still turn to the JW movies more often BUT I find the earlier ones such as 'Angel and Badman' , 'Stage Coach', and my all time favorite western ' The Searchers' to be my top JW flicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South-Eye Ned Posted November 7, 2020 Share Posted November 7, 2020 I like ‘em both! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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