Warden Callaway Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Sawmill Mary fell to temptation yesterday and bought a Uberti Sheriff 44WCF.. Pretty little gun. New but definitely old stock. The proof marks are too muddled to make out the date code. It's definitely older than the two-notch safety system. It has the pivot block safety in the hammer and one notch base pin. Anyone know when they stopped using the pivot block safety and go to the two-notch base pin safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I've never seen an UBERTI with the two notch base pin safety. I've only ever seen it in guns made by others. Armi San Marco is one. Then again, all of my clones were acquired on the used market, so I am not sure how old they all are. There's a bunch strange safeties out there. It boggles the mind how much effort has been put into solving a problem that does not exist. That being said, I actually find the above pictured system to make a modicum of sense. It actually makes the "safety notch" on a four click hammer, well, safe to use. BTW, Sheriff's models are cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texas Joker Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I believe All pistols for import must have a safety. That's why milsurp Tokarevs got that dumb thumb safety added by Century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Warden, the "pivot block safety", which has also been called a hammer-block safety, has been on every standard Uberti Cattleman for a long time, until the current Cattleman II came out. Those guns also had the two-position base pin. That 3" ejectorless Sheriff model has to be at least 20 years old. Dixie actually carries one now, but it is on the Pre-War frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 8 minutes ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: Dixie actually carries one now, but it is on the Pre-War frame. But only in 45Colt and 357. Thanks for the info. The box shows a lot of wear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Of course all Colt Sheriffs are C&R eligible as long as they are .44 or .45 caliber. Even brand new ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tex Jones, SASS 2263 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said: Anyone know when they stopped using the pivot block safety and go to the two-notch base pin safety? You could try sending Uberti an email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: I've never seen an UBERTI with the two notch base pin safety. Factory Uberti two notch base pin above a pair I made to replace them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Rich Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Mine have em. kR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 15, 2020 Author Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Kid Rich said: Mine have em. kR I'm thinking the two notch base pin would be pretty useless on a black powder frame gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Warden Callaway said: Factory Uberti two notch base pin above a pair I made to replace them. Ah, so they DO exist! Interestingly enough, I found that pin from my Third Gen Colts fit just fine in all of my clones, no matter who made them. I have considered replacing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bailey Creek,5759 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 On my ASM i ground the Pins off , after cleaning the Revolvers i would put the pin in too far. When i went to fire them . They were on the safety notch. Took once or twice to do that. Pushed pin in to safety notch. Marked them with cut them down rounded the ends off. No more problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waxahachie Kid #17017 L Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I bought some non two-notched base pins, and replaced all the ones I had on my Uberti clones. I am using the two notched base pins as trot-line weights. I will do the same if I ever accidently buy a "type II" Uberti Cattleman, with the retractable firing pin hammer. But...that's just me. Some Pards may like 'em, and have no problems with them....and that's fine. I must say, I do not like what they did to the Bisley. Glad I bought one twelve years ago. W.K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Kiowa Jones #6765 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 10 hours ago, Warden Callaway said: Sawmill Mary fell to temptation yesterday and bought a Uberti Sheriff 44WCF.. Pretty little gun. New but definitely old stock. The proof marks are too muddled to make out the date code. It's definitely older than the two-notch safety system. It has the pivot block safety in the hammer and one notch base pin. Anyone know when they stopped using the pivot block safety and go to the two-notch base pin safety? Those hammer block style Uberti's were also known as the "D" cam guns. They started changing over to the two position base pins in the early 2000's. During the first few years of the transition you would see the hammer block style hammers even on some of the two position base pin guns. But, the hammer block didn't function and they had full cams. I think they were trying to use up the old parts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trailrider #896 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 Looks like the one "Heck Ramsey" (Richard Boone) carried in that series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 This one has a "Colt-style" (no "D-cam") hammer and the two-notch base pin. Came with both types of base pin screw. Made in 2002 (45 Colt) (after-market grips) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 Honestly, I've not pulled the base pin. It may be double notched and cut back. The gunshop owner is also a cowboy action shooter. I'll have to see if the knurled screw is in the box. Sawmill Mary's gun so I have limited access to it. Like when she's asleep or out. Update: It has a one notch base pin. I looked for the kneeled screw in the box and didn't find it. I was looking for the date code on the barrel. But as I was handling it, I noticed a group of stamps on the right side of the frame. And there it was. First I took it a 8M but that didn't make sense with the data code chart. But BM does. Birth year 1999. They sure beat it up. Two proof marks on the barrel. I think the pin retaining screw was changed from one size thread to another at one time. Does anyone know the thread sizes and what one this one may be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene, SASS # 27489 Posted October 16, 2020 Share Posted October 16, 2020 I don't know the base pin screw size, but there were two different sizes. The older, smaller screw is hard to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warden Callaway Posted October 16, 2020 Author Share Posted October 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Abilene, SASS # 27489 said: I don't know the base pin screw size, but there were two different sizes. The older, smaller screw is hard to find. This on VTI Parts tells the new size but not the old size. I expect it to be metric. Quote Uberti Base Pin Screw for Old Model Frame - Older Size DISCONTINUED (1873 SA) PRE -2001 These are now Out Of Stock. To use the new one which is OD .159" For guns produced after 2001 - (to upgrade to the new screw, 400354/new which is 8/36 thread, use #29 Cobalt Drill, slowly drill, with tap oil) I can figure it out as there is a screw in it. But thought I'd ask. Why I ask, I can make a knurled screw from a screw made to hold globes on light fixtures. The hardware store has many to choose from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Coles SASS 1188 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 On 10/15/2020 at 11:17 AM, Warden Callaway said: I'm thinking the two notch base pin would be pretty useless on a black powder frame gun. No, it served is purpose. It got it in the country without all the stupid mods to the gun we see today. You then bought a standard pin and threw the two notch pin away so you could shoot it as Colt intended! At one point I owned the Uberti sherifs model that Mike Venterino got to write up when they were new, it was a good gun. One of my fondest memories in CAS was using it on a stage where you shot two targets across a poker table before you ran on to complete the rest of the stage. This was back before sheriffs models were banned as pocket pistols and at a non sass affiliated club (back when the sport was young). My compressed load of 3f bp put out a big enough ball of flame that it lit the paper targets on fire! They just burned while I shot the rest of the stage. Good fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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