Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 What requirements must be met for a shooter to be eligible to be named state/regional/national champion? If a shooter from another country moves to the US and lives here, plans to live here for several years, are they eligible to be named champion of their state/regional/ national match where they live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irish ike, SASS #43615 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 They have an address int eh State they are competing, they can be the State champ. NO requirement for citizenship. Let the comments fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Of course they're eligible. To reiterate, there is NO citizenship required. Next Shooter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokestack SASS#87384 Posted September 8, 2020 Author Share Posted September 8, 2020 That would be my opinion as well. Interested to hear an official position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, Smokestack SASS#87384 said: What requirements must be met for a shooter to be eligible to be named state/regional/national champion? If a shooter from another country moves to the US and lives here, plans to live here for several years, are they eligible to be named champion of their state/regional/ national match where they live? Yes. An address and the fact you're probably paying county taxes. No problem when we lived in Oklahoma..... But it apparently doesn't apply to Winter Range for some strange reason.??? which I find odd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major BS Walker Regulator Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Don't forget the SASS membership. Call main office in the morning if the move is final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Quote Age, gender, and residency are all to be confirmed/determined by the declaration on the individual’s state issued driver’s license or ID. SHB p.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 If its an Aussie offer him a 6 pack to go away and you should be good. Failing that give him a bottle of Bundy the night before and you wont hear from him til about the 4th stage the next day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, Major Crimes said: If its an Aussie offer him a 6 pack to go away and you should be good. Failing that give him a bottle of Bundy the night before and you wont hear from him til about the 4th stage the next day Doesn't that only work if his name is Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, H. K. Uriah, SASS #74619 said: Doesn't that only work if his name is Bruce? Is his name not Bruce? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: Of course they're eligible. To reiterate, there is NO citizenship required. Next Shooter. I'm pretty sure you have to be a resident of a state to be the state champion and you have to be a resident of a state in whichever region you're competing in for a regional championship. Based on Jackaroo and PWB's comments it sounds like WR wants you to be a citizen of the US to be eligible to be a National Champ. Not sure about that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 49 minutes ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Based on Jackaroo and PWB's comments it sounds like WR wants you to be a citizen of the US to be eligible to be a National Champ. Not sure about that though. http://winterrange.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colorado Coffinmaker Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 THAT'S JUST STUPID I have other words but don't really want a "Time Out" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 31 minutes ago, Colorado Coffinmaker said: THAT'S JUST STUPID I have other words but don't really want a "Time Out" You are definitely entitled to your opinion. But as the Winter Range Secretary, when I sign the contract with SASS, I'm agreeing to "Conduct the match in accordance with SASS Rules, and within the outline of the guidelines provided" (SASS Championship Agreement) . As PWB has quoted above, the rules are very clear, the US National Championship has to be awarded to a US resident. The Match Trophy goes to the match winner as appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokin Gator SASS #29736 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Can a U. S. citizen be the national champion in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 It seems consistent to me. You have to be a resident of a state to win that state's championship. You have to be a resident of a region to win that regional championship. You have to be a resident of a nation to win that nation's championship, and if it ever becomes an issue, you probably have to be a resident of this world in order to win a world championship. No Alpha Centurions allowed to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cypress Sun Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Smokin Gator SASS #29736 said: Can a U. S. citizen be the national champion in Australia? Only if he uses a prop boomerang on at least one stage and likes Didgeridoo music. Even then, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Maybe SASS matches need more feelings and fewer rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Dantankerous said: Maybe SASS matches need more feelings and fewer rules? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Can The Terminator be a World Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Painted Mohawk SASS 77785 Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Clancy ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 11 hours ago, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: Is his name not Bruce? That could cause some confusion. https://www.facebook.com/racqofficial/videos/monty-python-bruce/1423752247662294/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Crimes Posted September 8, 2020 Share Posted September 8, 2020 Personally I don't have a problem with wanting the National Champion to be either a resident or citizen (he says as if he had a snowballs chance in hell of ever beating you guys) It would be a hoot and an honour just to play the game with Y'All. I tried to find the rules for our National Comp (Chisolm Trail) but because its not happening this year I cant download a Nomination Form to check. Mohawk would know more about Chisholm and the rules than I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 8 hours ago, Cypress Sun said: Only if he uses a prop boomerang on at least one stage and likes Didgeridoo music. Even then, I doubt it. We used a boomerang prop a couple of weeks on an Aussie-written stage (boomerang sweep). I also like Didgeridoo music and have the “Outback” CD. I win! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 If there was no citizenship requirement for the national championship... What would be difference between WR and EOT? Guess EOT could just be deemed irrelevant and done away with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Widder, SASS #59054 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Pards, I think some of you are mixing 'resident' with 'citizen'. The rule/guideline posted by Branchwater Jake references 'Citizen', in relationship to Winter Range, not just a 'Resident'. Big difference. ..........Widder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 12 minutes ago, Widder, SASS #59054 said: Pards, I think some of you are mixing 'resident' with 'citizen'. The rule/guideline posted by Branchwater Jake references 'Citizen', in relationship to Winter Range, not just a 'Resident'. Big difference. ..........Widder Good point. I'm not sure you can be a 'citizen' of a state, so the appropriate term there is probably resident. For the National, citizen is appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 I am confused because this is not something that is new. We can also go back and see where we have discussed this before: And, we have seen how it applied to the WR 2020 results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Hangtree Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 10 hours ago, Abilene Slim SASS 81783 said: We used a boomerang prop a couple of weeks on an Aussie-written stage (boomerang sweep). I also like Didgeridoo music and have the “Outback” CD. I win! I've eaten at Outback before. Does that count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 6 hours ago, Captain Bill Burt said: Good point. I'm not sure you can be a 'citizen' of a state, so the appropriate term there is probably resident. For the National, citizen is appropriate. Of course you can be a citizen of a State. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 9/8/2020 at 11:28 PM, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: http://winterrange.com/ There's a big difference between "citizen" and "resident" .A citizen has a US passport, a resident may or may not have a US passport. A citizen may also NOT be resident in the US too. Winter Range is the only event that says citizen. All other state or regional events you have to be a resident, that is a permanent address. And If you have more than one house or property in different regions you can only use ONE of those to be eligible for one regional, you cannot claim both. Your driving license has nothing to do with it despite what the rule book says. It's your permant residential address. This was all clarified to me by Misty when we were living in OK. and have many state championships between us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 20 hours ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: If there was no citizenship requirement for the national championship... What would be difference between WR and EOT? Guess EOT could just be deemed irrelevant and done away with. Cause EOT is a World Championship anyone is eligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackaroo, # 29989 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 On 9/9/2020 at 1:33 AM, Rattlesnake Slim said: You are definitely entitled to your opinion. But as the Winter Range Secretary, when I sign the contract with SASS, I'm agreeing to "Conduct the match in accordance with SASS Rules, and within the outline of the guidelines provided" (SASS Championship Agreement) . As PWB has quoted above, the rules are very clear, the US National Championship has to be awarded to a US resident. The Match Trophy goes to the match winner as appropriate. Yes Rattlesnake but you've said 'resident' that's not what WR says they say 'citizen' big difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Gauntlet , SASS 60619 Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 26 minutes ago, Jackaroo, # 29989 said: On 9/8/2020 at 6:28 AM, Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 said: There's a big difference between "citizen" and "resident" .A citizen has a US passport, a resident may or may not have a US passport. A citizen may also NOT be resident in the US too. I know many US citizens who do not have passports, and, indeed, I was one myself for many decades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattlesnake Slim Posted September 9, 2020 Share Posted September 9, 2020 Residency, citizenship, domicile, call it what you want. As PWB quoted above, It's what is on your government issued driver's license or ID that determines your eligibility. "All SASS rules apply" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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