Subdeacon Joe Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 But he makes a valid point. Yes, it is Facebook. No, I haven't found it on YouTube yet, nor have I spent more than about 5 minutes looking for it. So don't bother with posting "I don't use/do/like Facebook." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-BAR #18287 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Geez, how many people did he sweep??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cholla Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 He makes a valid point over and over but I also was curious on who was swept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 3 minutes ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Geez, how many people did he sweep??!! 2 minutes ago, Cholla said: He makes a valid point over and over but I also was curious on who was swept. After watching it a few dozen times I'm not thoroughly convinced that he swept anyone, although I'm not absolutely positive that he didn't sweep someone. Which is why my heading that I'm not thrilled with his methods. It LOOKS to me as if he manages to keep the muzzle in the 170 degree arc downrange, but there is one of his draws, with 53 seconds remaining, that is arguably at 180 degrees. You could possibly say that he might have swept someone in the lane to the viewers left, and maybe his own feet or groin. I would have liked it a lot more if he had used a cap gun or Airsoft than his carry weapon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Original Lumpy Gritz Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 He didn't 'sweep anyone. Very good demonstration OLG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 He shoots "gangsta style." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 OK, I'm going to admit disappointment that he didn't pull the Tex Grebner "I shot myself" maneuver. And yes, message over method is in play here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Near the end of his little demonstration someone said, "put your hands up", and he immediately whipped around and shot the target three or four times. The only person that I can think of it would come up behind me and say "put your hands up" is a cop. Is he teaching people how to shoot cops when they're being arrested? Because I'm pretty damn sure that if a member of Bums, Looters and Murderers came up behind me, he would not say "put your hands up". He would just shoot me in the back of the head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I always wonder why so many firearms guys are overweight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 But while action Is always faster than reaction, you must be careful of overreaction. I’d be interested, albeit mildly, to know what his background and qualifications are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Riot Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Dude makes me nervous. A bit of a show off. I didn’t hear him say “Be sure of your target before you fire. Be sure of what’s around and behind your target before you fire.” Of course, this is a short clip that doesn’t show his entire training session so I may be judging him without knowing the entire scenario of his training session. I know this much, I would never jokingly say “put your hands up” if I were ever coming up behind him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 12 minutes ago, Alpo said: Because I'm pretty damn sure that if a member of Bums, Looters and Murderers came up behind me, he would not say "put your hands up". He would just shoot me in the back of the head. Why? What info do you have on the Clintons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I was wondering if, while his attention was all on the people he was teaching, someone was to somehow put in a "good guy" target - maybe the mother with baby - when he whipped around would he realize that there was a picture of a woman with a baby there or would he just shoot her three or four times? Action does beat reaction. if you're standing there facing me with a gun in your hand, and I was quick (which I'm not), I might take a chance on drawing my gun and shooting you. You would have to react to my movement, and according to drivers ed the average person's reaction is about three-quarters of a second. if I was quick, and three quarters of a second I could draw my gun and shoot you three or four times. But we are face to face. That guy is turning around and shooting. He doesn't know what the hell is behind him. But he shoots it. That looks real flashy, but it's really really stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpo said: Near the end of his little demonstration someone said, "put your hands up", and he immediately whipped around and shot the target three or four times. The only person that I can think of it would come up behind me and say "put your hands up" is a cop. Is he teaching people how to shoot cops when they're being arrested? I know nothing of this video other than what we all see here. I get the impression that he is trying to demonstrate how fast things can go north on you, and how no matter how prepared you are (or think you are) you will not be able react fast enough if a thug is intent on getting away, or getting his way, and doesn't care who he shoots. He may also be demonstrating to the non-badge carrying citizen just why law enforcement officers seem to start shooting before inviting the thug to tea. The kind who ask, "Why did he have to start shooting so soon?" or "Why did he have to shoot so many times?" Might could be he was giving a demonstration to reporters after a controversial police shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Harley, #14153 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: But while action Is always faster than reaction, you must be careful of overreaction. I’d be interested, albeit mildly, to know what his background and qualifications are. 56 minutes ago, Pat Riot, SASS #13748 said: Dude makes me nervous. A bit of a show off. I didn’t hear him say “Be sure of your target before you fire. Be sure of what’s around and behind your target before you fire.” Of course, this is a short clip that doesn’t show his entire training session so I may be judging him without knowing the entire scenario of his training session. I know this much, I would never jokingly say “put your hands up” if I were ever coming up behind him. I’m with y’all. Something doesn’t smell right here. True, it’s only a small video clip, but where’s the part about identifying your target? Where’s the part about situational awareness? Where’s the part about responding to a lethal threat? ”Gee, Your Honor. Somebody startled me from behind so I spun real fast and triple tapped him. Sorry he was a homeless person asking for money.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Hendo said: Why? What info do you have on the Clintons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smoken D Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Bad guys don't give a hoot who their target is. While on the PD went through one simulator with incident like that. No officer ever reacted fast enough to get off the first round (and they had their gun out pointed at the bad buy). I think his point is that he was portraying the bad guy and do you think you could react fast enough on a situation like this. The answer is "ALWAYS NO"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Smoken D said: Bad guys don't give a hoot who their target is. While on the PD went through one simulator with incident like that. No officer ever reacted fast enough to get off the first round (and they had their gun out pointed at the bad buy). I think his point is that he was portraying the bad guy and do you think you could react fast enough on a situation like this. The answer is "ALWAYS NO"! Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said: he is trying to demonstrate how fast things can go north on you, Whaaaaaat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: Whaaaaaat? Think you have the drop on the guy, he makes his move and PRESTO things have gone north on you and you become shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 I've never heard of something going north. Something going south on you - heard that most of my life. North??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 47 minutes ago, Alpo said: I've never heard of something going north. Something going south on you - heard that most of my life. North??? Damn Yankees.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alpo Posted September 6, 2020 Share Posted September 6, 2020 Wish they would go north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted September 6, 2020 Author Share Posted September 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Alpo said: I've never heard of something going north. Something going south on you - heard that most of my life. North??? You know how it is - victors write the history and shape the language. Come winter many northerners head south. When they retire a lot of northerners head south. How many southrons head north? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozark Huckleberry Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Hendo said: Damn Yankees.... You made that two words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Subdeacon Joe said: You know how it is - victors write the history and shape the language. Come winter many northerners head south. When they retire a lot of northerners head south. How many southrons head north? It has nothing to do with the war. On a map, any map, let’s say Spain, north is up and south is down. So if something went south it went down. Up is good. Down is bad. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/go_south Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 7 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: I always wonder why so many firearms guys are overweight. wondered that myself but he conceals multiple weapons rather well , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 Cynic that I am, I’m thinking this guy might be a poser. At a minimum, he’s a show off and an idiot. I’ll bet the rest of his “class” is full of lots of bluster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smuteye John SASS#24774 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Subdeacon Joe said: You know how it is - victors write the history and shape the language. Come winter many northerners head south. When they retire a lot of northerners head south. How many southrons head north? Those are snow birds. Sorta like the guy a few years ago that blocked the way to Key West after he stole a backhoe and led the LEO's on a low speed chase headed north. He was from Wisconsin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hendo Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 2 hours ago, Ozark Huckleberry said: You made that two words. It's the only way I know of to talk slowly on the internet so the the slow kids in class can get it. Under Stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyrus Cassidy #45437 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 20 hours ago, J-BAR #18287 said: Geez, how many people did he sweep??!! Zero. Go watch that again. What he's doing is a known, researched, and trained technique. He was using what is known as a "safety circle," in which the muzzle is depressed in front of his feet but not towards anyone else. It was pointed at the ground when not downrange -- he never brought the muzzle up until the gun was downrange. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Duncan Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 19 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: I always wonder why so many firearms guys are overweight. Because physically they know that can't win a fight and it's easier to learn how to shoot then to diet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hashknife Cowboy Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 He makes me uncomfortable. In 27 years of carrying a gun for the government I never came upon a situation that required that level of speed. He is good but his overall style and process is prone for error. Just my thoughts..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted September 7, 2020 Share Posted September 7, 2020 19 hours ago, Utah Bob #35998 said: I always wonder why so many firearms guys are overweight. Same reason so many Cowboy shooters are overweight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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