Trailrider #896 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 In Kenosha, WI, a Black man was shot multiple times in the back as he attempted to enter his car. The video appears to show one officer on top of the suspect's back, followed by the sound of seven (7) shots. Suspect was reported to have undergone surgery and was in stable condition. Not having been on the scene, I can't say what was right or wrong, but SEVEN shots? Did the officers think he was going for a gun inside the car...maybe under the front seat or in a center console? Don't know how many rounds struck the suspect, but given the position of the officer, wouldn't one or two or even three have sufficed? You LEO's active or retired please comment. Of course the incident set off rioting, burning and one officer was hit in the head with a brick or rock, later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 All you can do is let the investigation play out before passing judgement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 In law enforcement and civilian shooting schools, students are taught to shoot until the threat is resolved. Plus, if you perceive yourself at risk, you're gonna continue until you no longer feel threatened. Most guns at most shooting scenes are empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 I'm going to diverge for a moment here: Has anyone else noticed that within the last few days news media has begun capitalizing "black?" Just strikes me as strange. Opportunistic, maybe... and a few other descriptors that escape me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abilene Slim SASS 81783 Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 13 minutes ago, Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 said: I'm going to diverge for a moment here: Has anyone else noticed that within the last few days news media has begun capitalizing "black?" Just strikes me as strange. Opportunistic, maybe... and a few other descriptors that escape me. It’s been going for a number of months. To me, it’s better than a hyphenated heritage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah Bob #35998 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 One witness heard an office say “Drop the knife“, several times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subdeacon Joe Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 People are rioting and destroying a city because a man with several convictions for violent felonies was brandishing a knife, said he was going to get his gun out of his car, refused to drop the knife, refused police orders to not reach into the car from which he said he was going to get a gun, was shot by police officers who didn't want him to get his gun out of his car. See a different video here:https://www.tmz.com/2020/08/24/jacob-blake-shooting-new-angle-struggle-cops-kenosha/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 25, 2020 Share Posted August 25, 2020 I'll wait for the official report before jumping to conclusions. I am so glad I survived my career in law enforcement and I smile the 1st of every month because now they pay me NOT to be in that mess. God bless those still in the trenches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry T Harrison Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 I am so happy that my son didn’t follow me into law enforcement. It’s a different world today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Dan Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 AND the guy is still alive... just confirms my opinion of 9mm as a self defense round. What good is a 15 round magazine when it takes half a mag to stop one bad guy. Previous shooting involving a LA patrol officer who also happens to be a top ranked competition shooter had to double tap an attacking knife welding perp 3 times to stop him. I hope most LEO are taking note and carrying extra mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantankerous Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 58 minutes ago, Ranger Dan said: AND the guy is still alive... just confirms my opinion of 9mm as a self defense round. What good is a 15 round magazine when it takes half a mag to stop one bad guy. Previous shooting involving a LA patrol officer who also happens to be a top ranked competition shooter had to double tap an attacking knife welding perp 3 times to stop him. I hope most LEO are taking note and carrying extra mags. Or upgrading service pistols to 475 Linebaughs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hardpan Curmudgeon SASS #8967 Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Ranger Dan said: Previous shooting involving a LA patrol officer who also happens to be a top ranked competition shooter had to double tap an attacking knife welding perp 3 times to stop him. I hope most LEO are taking note and carrying extra mags. I suspect her career is pretty much over - and possibly worse. She's being severely critiqued; scuttlebutt is there's significant political pressure behind it. Link below to one of many articles... Nobody seems to consider that less than a minute and a half passed between riding in a cruiser munching a candy bar to having dropped a meth-fueled, armed threat. https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-07-25/column-he-had-a-box-cutter-ignored-commands-and-a-cop-shot-him-six-times-were-there-better-options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 im holding off for "official comments" but there is a pattern developing in these incidents that may or may not justify the results - the officers commands are ignored and the person of interest does not comply with what might be a simple inquiry - WHY ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 1 hour ago, watab kid said: im holding off for "official comments" but there is a pattern developing in these incidents that may or may not justify the results - the officers commands are ignored and the person of interest does not comply with what might be a simple inquiry - WHY ? I spent 26 years in Corrections, prisons and Parole. Realize that these folks are sociopaths who have no respect or fear, they only understand force. Thank God that they are only a tiny fraction of one percent of the population. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 i was afraid that was the case and hoping that you were correct in your statement yet its seemingly more the norm in these hot spots - the commands are clear and the reaction is obvious - noncompliance , then everyone says "good boy-fine upstanding fellow" about the non-compliant individual that was combative and abusive in their communication , try cooperation ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bgavin Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Wow.. tough crowd. It was intended as a bit of levity (read: heavy sarcasm) as the riots and burnings increase with every thug that gets capped by law enforcement. I'm sure everybody has seen the full video, where the perp disobeyed every command, became a threat and got himself shot for it. It's only going to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 missed the sarcasm - sorry bout that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muleshoe Bill SASS #67022 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I watched the video. It was hard to determine a couple things, but the guy did have an object in his hand as he walked away from police. He did have active Warrant for arrest. He did have an arrest history of assault, sexual assault, burglary, robbery, family violence. I suspect the officers on the scene were somewhat familiar with him. The father's Facebook page is now been taken down, but father is a Farrakhan follower previous to this event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Reports from last night and this morning indicate he did have a knife. The DOJ is saying it was in the car. Witnesses said the cops were demanding he drop the knife as he walked to the car door. Extrapolation would lead a prudent person to believe he had it in his hand (as a still from the video indicates) while resisting arrest, and while being shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forty Rod SASS 3935 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 Seven shots at body contact range and the guy is still alive and expected to recover. Now THAT is sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawMan Mark, SASS #57095L Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Seven shots at body contact range and the guy is still alive and expected to recover. Now THAT is sad. Theres a 9mm for ya. Gotta hit a big bone, the CNS or a blood bearing organ (heart or liver) with that round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeaconKC Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 4 hours ago, Forty Rod SASS 3935 said: Seven shots at body contact range and the guy is still alive and expected to recover. Now THAT is sad. Cockroach rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Chance Morgun Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 On 8/26/2020 at 2:48 PM, Ranger Dan said: AND the guy is still alive... just confirms my opinion of 9mm as a self defense round. What good is a 15 round magazine when it takes half a mag to stop one bad guy. Previous shooting involving a LA patrol officer who also happens to be a top ranked competition shooter had to double tap an attacking knife welding perp 3 times to stop him. I hope most LEO are taking note and carrying extra mags. Years ago, our dept. went to 9mm. 4 of us opted to continue to carry our .357 mags. After several nationwide reports of the 9mm being ineffective, they switched to .40 cal and made it mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Mountain Charlie SASS #43172 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 21 hours ago, watab kid said: im holding off for "official comments" but there is a pattern developing in these incidents that may or may not justify the results - the officers commands are ignored and the person of interest does not comply with what might be a simple inquiry - WHY ? My question prezactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chickasaw Bill SASS #70001 Posted August 27, 2020 Share Posted August 27, 2020 I fear as the flames are stoked , this AIN'T the last time this will happen gonna get worse the closer , we get to NOV maybe later SAD times for the nation Chickasaw Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watab kid Posted August 28, 2020 Share Posted August 28, 2020 no disagreement here - will continue to wind up , sadly some more innocents will get trapped into it , never pretend to know whats coming but i agree its not done , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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