Mustang Gregg Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I cannot get all of the online SASS handbooks to open this morning. Or I would find the answer to this one. So I am posing this question to the Wire. This happened 2+ years ago and now it's happened again, I was told. The shooter shot the stage and had 1 miss according to all three spotters. The TO said, "No, the shooter hit the edge of the target in question." I know the "unknown hit or miss" always goes down as a hit if there is a question among the spotters. Well, does the TO (who's focus should be on the shooter and their weapon) have the power to change their unanimous call? Much obliged, MG PS I have to go to work now, but I will check the thread this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Null N. Void Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 It's a miss. Spotters rule in this case. The TO can point out where he saw the edge hit, and the spotters can change their call. However, if they decide that it was a miss, it's still a miss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_of_Hearts Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Miss - Next shooter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randy Saint Eagle, SASS # 64903 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, Null N. Void said: It's a miss. Spotters rule in this case. The TO can point out where he saw the edge hit, and the spotters can change their call. However, if they decide that it was a miss, it's still a miss. +1 Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom, SASS #54973 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, Mustang Gregg said: Well, does the TO (who's focus should be on the shooter and their weapon) have the power to change their unanimous call? No. This should now be the end of the discussion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marauder SASS #13056 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 In some situations, the TO can clearly see the firearm, the target and have an excellent view of where the bullet went - and be doing their job well. But it is up to the spotters to call the miss/hits. In this case, the TO is advisory only - they can inform the spotters of what they saw but cannot override their vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 To can not overrule 3 spotters they can point out what they perceive as a edge hit but 2 of the 3 spotters would have to change their calls. Rafe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Bill Burt Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Now the deluge..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Branchwater Jack SASS #88854 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 SHB pg 25 Quote The CRO/TO may unilaterally assign penalties for safety violations and procedural errors when they have clearly occurred (this does not include assessing misses). Assessing misses is purely in the purview of the spotters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Goody, SASS #26190 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 1 hour ago, Phantom, SASS #54973 said: No. This should now be the end of the discussion... It was answered, correctly, within 10 minutes. It would really help to promote brevity if no one chimed in after that. But we know that will never happen, everyone has an extra 2 cents hanging around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badlands Bob #61228 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 But, but what if.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafe Conager SASS #56958 Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 Next shooter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustang Gregg Posted August 24, 2020 Author Share Posted August 24, 2020 Lock this thread then. That was the correct answer I trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaleWolf Brunelle, #2495L Posted August 26, 2020 Share Posted August 26, 2020 One more (final) reference: Quote A TO does not have the authority to overrule the spotters in regard to misses, but can question spotters as to the location of misses. RO1 p.79 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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